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    Quote Originally Posted by freeringo View Post
    I honor your debate and oppinion but, you are not giving us any facts as to why you are against it.
    Will it cost you more per month or less per month?
    Does anyone know?
    We need to all walk in each others shoes to really have a judgement on this subject.
    I am already on National healthcare and I am OK with it. I get to see a doctor of my choice and get timely appointments.
    Medicare has recently cut back on dental maintenance and optomentry.
    We all have to pay something on our healthcare. Some can afford more than others. The American family budget was designed for families to pay less than 30% of our wages on housing. I pay 60% or more.
    Without Medicare I would not ever be able to afford Health Insurance.
    However, some of you may not know this but if you don't have Insurance, there is a thing called sliding scale payment option. I pay 25% of my bill at the doctors office for low income. This is cheaper than the $30 copay
    Blue cross offers. Not to mention the $1500 deductable and monthly premiums that went up 42% this year from last year.
    Capitalism is alive and healthy, and the best system for this country.

    At my age with no family, I'd prefer to save the money on health insurance and go uninsured. I'm a healthy enough individual for this to be an economically sound decision and the last thing i want is for the government to make the decision for me. Its not their place and I don't want to be forced into health insurance be it with required health care like is in place in Massachusetts or with universal health care where it comes out of my taxes.

    Systems like the system in Massachusetts should be in place but WITHOUT a mandate requiring the insurance. Insurance should be allowed to be sold across state lines, and like the system in MA, there should be places that show you every option available. (think travelocity for health insurance) I would support this. It will get affordable health care to most everyone. Add some restraints on the insurance companies, and bam, we don't need some ****ing french socialist system that ****s all but the lower class. This would ease up the prices of the private system and make options available to those who cannot afford it currently.

    It also allows those who want to pay more to be treated with greater celerity.

    This is a system of capitalism. This is a system of personal responsibility. This is a system that PROVIDED INCENTIVES to pharmaceuticals to develop new drugs and for students to enter a track towards medical services. This a system that provides some of the brightest minds and some of the best doctors in the world.

    Nationalize health care, and these incentives are gone. We are forced into buying insurance that some of us don't want. Cutting edge drugs will no longer be developed because no company will see reason to pound money into developing them without hope of any fiscal return. And the doctors in this country will become run of the mill and no longer the best in their fields.

    (edit--I have not proofread this so excuse any mistakes with grammar or incorrect words)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerpZone View Post
    Capitalism is alive and healthy, and the best system for this country.

    At my age with no family, I'd prefer to save the money on health insurance and go uninsured. I'm a healthy enough individual for this to be an economically sound decision and the last thing i want is for the government to make the decision for me. Its not their place and I don't want to be forced into health insurance be it with required health care like is in place in Massachusetts or with universal health care where it comes out of my taxes.

    Systems like the system in Massachusetts should be in place but WITHOUT a mandate requiring the insurance. Insurance should be allowed to be sold across state lines, and like the system in MA, there should be places that show you every option available. (think travelocity for health insurance) I would support this. It will get affordable health care to most everyone. Add some restraints on the insurance companies, and bam, we don't need some ****ing french socialist system that ****s all but the lower class. This would ease up the prices of the private system and make options available to those who cannot afford it currently.

    It also allows those who want to pay more to be treated with greater celerity.

    This is a system of capitalism. This is a system of personal responsibility. This is a system that PROVIDED INCENTIVES to pharmaceuticals to develop new drugs and for students to enter a track towards medical services. This a system that provides some of the brightest minds and some of the best doctors in the world.

    Nationalize health care, and these incentives are gone. We are forced into buying insurance that some of us don't want. Cutting edge drugs will no longer be developed because no company will see reason to pound money into developing them without hope of any fiscal return. And the doctors in this country will become run of the mill and no longer the best in their fields.

    (edit--I have not proofread this so excuse any mistakes with grammar or incorrect words)
    Capitalism is greedy, corrupt and evil.
    The capitalists have raped our country and left us with no manufacturing jobs like we use to have. The old America is gone.
    The new America is all about working less hours, more entitlements and communing with family and community. We cannot go back to the dog eat dog world we just went through.
    Think about it a minute.
    50% of homeowners are under water
    Min. wage and P/T work has taken over most industries now.
    You tell me how the vast work force is going to feed the capitalist machine anymore.

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    Raise Min. wage to $13 an hour and we all could afford our own way.

    That's not going to happen.

    The biggest Union in California is the prison guard union.

    I will never be a prison guard. Wall marts hiring.

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