Healthcare debate

[TerpZone]

This is a little tidbit of information that is going on about the health care debate and how some americans truly are not interested the well-being of each other. I personally, cant sit aside and watch someone die, such as a young child with fixable heart problems, and be happy i save $45 bucks a week outta my paycheck. That is just inhumane, and selfish, and people who are this way, is the reason why society in america today is so ***d up.

So i ask who cares? I do, and im willing to shell out 45 bucks a week or so to help my fellow neighbors and americans have a better tommorrow and better health. Im not selfish,and its not about taxes or money to me, it about what we should do as people as to help one another.

here is the link i was referring to:
Britons defend their health care from US criticism - Yahoo! News

Also, it is very ignorant of you to think that opposing national health care is a result of selfishness and indifference towards the poor and needy.

[PANAMHIEST]

Also, it is very ignorant of you to think that opposing national health care is a result of selfishness and indifference towards the poor and needy.

why else would someone not want something that is gonna help out others in need of this reform then? It cant be from an economic stand point either, becuase instead of having to pay sometimes outrages fees and co- payments, and whatever else a insurance company can come up with, you pay for a very strick, governed price for health care. Itll help the doctors, because they will be getting patients coming in for services that normally wouldnt be able to afford those services, thus resulting in more money for the hospitals, the staff, and the medical industry as a whole.

[TerpZone]

why else would someone not want something that is gonna help out others in need of this reform then? It cant be from an economic stand point either, becuase instead of having to pay sometimes outrages fees and co- payments, and whatever else a insurance company can come up with, you pay for a very strick, governed price for health care. Itll help the doctors, because they will be getting patients coming in for services that normally wouldnt be able to afford those services, thus resulting in more money for the hospitals, the staff, and the medical industry as a whole.

Because of the economics of it and the loss of incentives. I don't mean to insult you, but you're wrong about the economics of national health care.

[freeringo]

Because of the economics of it and the loss of incentives. I don't mean to insult you, but you're wrong about the economics of national health care.

It is also proven that if they get all the young people to get routine check ups through life, it will greatly reduce Heathcare costs in the future.

Once all the baby boomers are gone, our children will live in a very prosporus country. Less compitition for jobs and less burden on society.
The next 20 years will be rough, but after that wonderful.
President Obama has his children in mind, I am sure of this.
That's all I need to know to just trust he knows what he's doing.
We elected him to do the job, now let him do it with our support.

[TerpZone]

It is also proven that if they get all the young people to get routine check ups through life, it will greatly reduce Heathcare costs in the future.

Once all the baby boomers are gone, our children will live in a very prosporus country. Less compitition for jobs and less burden on society.
The next 20 years will be rough, but after that wonderful.
President Obama has his children in mind, I am sure of this.
That's all I need to know to just trust he knows what he's doing.
We elected him to do the job, now let him do it with our support.

What does any of this have to do with nationalized health care?

[eejit101]

"Screw you guys.... I'm going home."

"But eej, home is that way ---->>>"

"Screw you guys, I'm going that way ---->>>"

[freeringo]

Even homeless shelters are run by big business.
They get more than twice as much money per person from the state
than it would cost the state to just pay for their food and rent.
They make money off the homeless.
Get the greedy corporations out of the equation and we would have enough money to get all 60 million Americans living in poverty back on their feet. That's 1 in 5 Amricans living in poverty.

You were saying?

[TerpZone]

Even homeless shelters are run by big business.
They get more than twice as much money per person from the state
than it would cost the state to just pay for their food and rent.
They make money off the homeless.
Get the greedy corporations out of the equation and we would have enough money to get all 60 million Americans living in poverty back on their feet. That's 1 in 5 Amricans living in poverty.

You were saying?

I don't even know what you're saying or where these numbers are coming from.

But corporations are, as much as you'd like to argue it, not evil. Greedy, maybe, but evil certainly not.

[eejit101]

I love this thread.

Not because i care, because as a british person i really dont that much, but id like to think you guys are getting a good deal, and from this i have no idea if you are or not.

But Terpzone seems like an educated man. Welcome to the forum.

Tho i still think your a bit of an a$$

[TerpZone]

But Terpzone seems like an educated man. Welcome to the forum.

Tho i still think your a bit of an a$$

I'm definitely vocal and have a LOUD opinion, but I don't intend to be mean!

[freeringo]

I don't even know what you're saying or where these numbers are coming from.

But corporations are, as much as you'd like to argue it, not evil. Greedy, maybe, but evil certainly not.

The facts are that none of us can wrap our heads around the health care issue. We elected officials to make the right decisions for us.
It's time to let them do their dirty thankless jobs that none of us want.
Either trust in the Electoral process and our democratic system or pray for better days to come again.

I can tell you right now, that the republicans won't be in power ever again. They have shot off all the toes on both their feet.

Get use to the New World Order of, For the people by the people, or you will be unhappy for a very very long time.

Fear mongering is dead, we are so numb to it now. Thanks George

[TerpZone]

The facts are that none of us can wrap our heads around the health care issue. We elected officials to make the right decisions for us.
It's time to let them do their dirty thankless jobs that none of us want.
Either trust in the Electoral process and our democratic system or pray for better days to come again.

I can tell you right now, that the republicans won't be in power ever again. They have shot off all the toes on both their feet.

Get use to the New World Order of, For the people by the people, or you will be unhappy for a very very long time.

Fear mongering is dead, we are so numb to it now. Thanks George

Bush is not indicative of the right. Just like most of the morons currently heading the DNC are not indicative of the left. I am personally a fiscal conservative, social liberal. I don't need a label and won't make decisions and form opinions based on labels. This country is being tourn apart by these stupid labels and people blindly supporting and opposing policy based on these labels.

You need to not look at the right as some evil and destructive entity. Form your own opinion on their policies. Take the time to learn them. Don't let the left tell you how to feel.

And trust in the elected officials? lawl. There's a reason Obama's ratings have been falling quickly.

And mostly, trust in the elector system? The elector college should have been banished a century ago.

[freeringo]

Bush is not indicative of the right. Just like most of the morons currently heading the DNC are not indicative of the left. I am personally a fiscal conservative, social liberal. I don't need a label and won't make decisions and form opinions based on labels. This country is being tourn apart by these stupid labels and people blindly supporting and opposing policy based on these labels.

You need to not look at the right as some evil and destructive entity. Form your own opinion on their policies. Take the time to learn them. Don't let the left tell you how to feel.

And trust in the elected officials? lawl. There's a reason Obama's ratings have been falling quickly.

And mostly, trust in the elector system? The elector college should have been banished a century ago.

Go ahead and take up arms then.
I let the officials pay huge staffs to read these bills and laws so I the average Joe Public don't got to.

You are too active in politics for your own health.
You should run for office of something.
I can tell you from a long history of experience, being an elected official sucks. It's the lowest job you can have.
When ya get there, let us know which of the special interest groups you support. There is one on both sides and 1/2 your constituents hate you all the time.
Best of luck.

There is way more to life than politics. Take what they give you and be happy about it.
What else ya going to do? Move to another country?
If so, which one?
You better have a lot of money for another country to except you.
If you made all your wealth in America, then it is your duty to support the new American ideals, like the old ones that made your wealth possible.
If you are poor and live paycheck to paycheck like most of us, then you welcome change in the system. I mean change in a big way.
Sit down and watch the movie, there's nothing you can do about it.
There is absolutely nothing the right wing can say or conjure up that would even catch the ear of the new majority of Obama supporters.

That is why your argument is so amusing.

[TerpZone]

Go ahead and take up arms then.
I let the officials pay huge staffs to read these bills and laws so I the average Joe Public don't got to.

You are too active in politics for your own health.
You should run for office of something.
I can tell you from a long history of experience, being an elected official sucks. It's the lowest job you can have.
When ya get there, let us know which of the special interest groups you support. There is one on both sides and 1/2 your constituents hate you all the time.
Best of luck.

There is way more to life than politics. Take what they give you and be happy about it.
What else ya going to do? Move to another country?
If so, which one?
You better have a lot of money for another country to except you.
If you made all your wealth in America, then it is your duty to support the new American ideals, like the old ones that made your wealth possible.
If you are poor and live paycheck to paycheck like most of us, then you welcome change in the system. I mean change in a big way.
Sit down and watch the movie, there's nothing you can do about it.
There is absolutely nothing the right wing can say or conjure up that would even catch the ear of the new majority of Obama supporters.

That is why your argument is so amusing.

Are you kidding me? Your response is that I'm too informed on the issues and that I should take what is handed to me and be happy about it and not want things to change?

It is my DUTY to accept what the current powers decide?

And you think MY argument is amusing?

This went from informed debate to you being a crazy misinformed, ignorant leftist.

I'm done with this debate. You can't have informed discussions with people who refuse to think logically.

You're one of the people I was referring to before; you accept whatever you side tells you to accept and think that your party can do no wrong. You are what you hate about the right.