*** Marriage

[thejuanupsman]

Also our nation is an immigrant nation so there are many international and many beliefs from people all over the world so to say this is A Catholic, and Christian isn't fair, just because our constitutin said so about 300 years ago.

Actually I don't believe anything in the Constitution suggests that this is a Christian or Catholic nation. Especially Catholic, there were almost no Catholics in the new wold until the mid 19th century.

The Declaration of Independence does mention God, but the reference is to "Nature's God" and there is very little reason to believe that Jefferson was referring to a Christian god.

[0maxpower0]

Wow, first off, im pretty sure america wasnt founded by diests who believed in freedom of religion. Im no expert in the subject matter, but i think i could make an arguement that would hold water.

And Tay, that WAS very eloquently stated. Despite the differences in our opinions, im certainly able to see where youre coming from. Thats what i love, sound logical arguements. I may have neglected to see this economic side to marriage, and only thought about its religious implications. If someone is going to decide to spend the rest of their life with someone else (although nowadays 50% of marriage end in divorce :-p) , regardless of genders, then yea, guess those thigns reserved for married couples should apply. I think that , on a more weird note, no government would want their citizens to participate in a same sex union, simply for the fact that procreation would be affected, and the overall population would presumably go down. Same with abortion, one less baby, is one less child that needs things bought for them. Ideas like same sex marriage and abortion dont help a nation, at all. Unfortunately i think its as simple as that :-/. Government has no right to tell you how to live, but by god theyll do everything they can to make sure that you arent going to hurt the nation.

OO, how about this. What do you think of women, who have children FOR a same sex couples, particularly male couples? Like, if two *** men wanted to have a child, and one of their lady friends offered to carry the baby and give it up after birth (im pretty sure that happens more than ppl think)? My opinion is if youre ***, youre not supposed to have a child, right? Just by the biological interworkings of the universe. However, if it comes down to a parentless child growing up in foster homes, or being the child o a *** couple, u better believe id go with the *** couple. In conclusion, my opinions has changed, i think that *** couples should have the right to get married, particularly because of the economic implications. But when it comes to children, i think they should only be able to adopt, because its just seems to me that if your were born ***, there is something about you that isnt supposed to be passed on genetically. Im not tryign to sound like a biggot, but i mean, if your biology made you attracted to the sex that couldnt produce a baby, why would you clammor at the bit for one, like a LOT of these couples. what do u guys think? cause i could keep going in circles like this all day.

[KaciBlakely]

OO, how about this. What do you think of women, who have children FOR a same sex couples, particularly male couples? Like, if two *** men wanted to have a child, and one of their lady friends offered to carry the baby and give it up after birth (im pretty sure that happens more than ppl think)? My opinion is if youre ***, youre not supposed to have a child, right? Just by the biological interworkings of the universe. However, if it comes down to a parentless child growing up in foster homes, or being the child o a *** couple, u better believe id go with the *** couple. In conclusion, my opinions has changed, i think that *** couples should have the right to get married, particularly because of the economic implications. But when it comes to children, i think they should only be able to adopt, because its just seems to me that if your were born ***, there is something about you that isnt supposed to be passed on genetically. Im not tryign to sound like a biggot, but i mean, if your biology made you attracted to the sex that couldnt produce a baby, why would you clammor at the bit for one, like a LOT of these couples. what do u guys think? cause i could keep going in circles like this all day.

I disagree with part of this.

Just because you are sexually attracted to a member of the same sex does not mean that your want to become a parent and to nuture a child goes away ever.

Also, what would you say about two women? Their biology is to have children so would you think it's better for two women to have a baby through ivf than two guys that are together to go through the same process?

I think it's fine personally and just because you are sexually attracted to someone of the same sex doesn't mean you will automatically be a horrendous parent like some people try to make it seem.

And that last comment wasn't aimed at you at all. Just in general. But I wanted to put that out there as this is a discussion and not an attack at all.

[KaciBlakely]

Actually I don't believe anything in the Constitution suggests that this is a Christian or Catholic nation. Especially Catholic, there were almost no Catholics in the new wold until the mid 19th century.

The Declaration of Independence does mention God, but the reference is to "Nature's God" and there is very little reason to believe that Jefferson was referring to a Christian god.

I said this because what maxpower quoted in the thread. I understand the difference but thank you very much for pointing it out.