Ive never posted a Hand for example b4, so....

[ScareCrowAKA]

this one here pretty just completely pissed me off

Hand#2574011506000??? - Pebble Beach (6-Max) 11506 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2011/04/23 - 14:48:12

Seat 1: MyBl***1 ($50 in chips) DEALER
Seat 2: --ME-- ($84.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Jotu***3 ($96.17 in chips)
Seat 8: ffan***8 ($22.78 in chips)
Seat 9: dega***9 ($50 in chips)
Seat 10: ohco***10 ($36.67 in chips)

---ME---: posts small blind $0.25
Jotu***3: posts big blind $0.50

Dealt to --ME-- [9d,7d]
ffan***8: folds
dega***9: raises to $1.50
ohco***10: folds
MyBl***1: folds
---ME---: calls $1.25
Jotu***3: raises to $6
dega***9: folds
---ME---: calls $4.50

*** FLOP *** [8h,5d,Th]
---ME---: checks
Jotu***3: bets $13.50
---ME---: calls $13.50

*** TURN *** [Ad]
---ME---: bets $20.25
Jotu***3: calls $20.25

*** RIVER *** [Kc]
---ME---: bets $40.50
Jotu***3: is all in 56.4200
---ME---: is all in 4.5500
Jotu***3: returns uncalled bet $11.37
---ME---: shows [9d 7d]
Jotu***3: shows [Kh Ts]

***SHOW DOWN***
Jotu***3: wins $168.10 with Two Pairs, Kings and Tens


I knew he raised cuz me and the original raiser make a lot of tight folds... when the original raiser folded, I figured I had the best hand, and if I would have re-raised, he would have called me anyways and at best I figure im 60-40, so I just called to keep the pot small and see what I could flop... When I flopped the back door flush and striaght draws, I chkd, again to keep the pot small, if he would have made a huge over bet I would have let it go... I was up 35$ b4 the hand started... when the Ace and the flush draw hit the turn, I was going all the way no matter what happened, cuz I figured he hit top or second pair on the flop, or some kind of inferior draw to mine and he had me on 2 big cards... the king came out and I figured k 10 was well within his range, and if he hit the 7 outter I lost... and I did... cuz online poker is fake, lol

I guess I should have shoved after the turn?

[ffcowboy76]

I think you best play is to fold preflop. No need to called 3x, let alone the 3bet with 9/7s. The flop hits you decent, but you make a passive move and check call with the draw. You called with 2 to 1 odds on an EIGHT out draw at this point. You are at best 32% to hit. Once the turn hits, you pick up 7 more outs. This gives you 15 outs to hit either one of your draws, which is 30%ish to hit. If you feel he is weak and a bet can take it, then bet the pot, not 1/2 pot like you did. You turn bet screams I'm on a flush draw, not the A gave me a better pair than you.

Just my thoughts.

[ScareCrowAKA]

Ya, I know the preflop call was a stretch, the only reason I called is cuz I was up some $ and had it to play w... when he bet I figured he hit a pair & I guess I should have shoved it there, but I figured he would call me anyways, so whats the point... So I called to see if I could hit the open ender, Ace, or diamond... which if the straight or ace hit, I knew I was good, with the opportunity to improve even more w the nut flush... and when the diamond hits the turn, I figure I am more than priced in to carry it out to the end... when the ace hit I knew he was at 4 outs, so I give him good odds to call w the 20$ bet... just didnt work cuz the odds are skewed online, because this play will work 9 out of 10 times live... and has... but online if feels more like 6 0ut of 10

... but ya, I agree the best play in hindsight would be to not even call preflop in the first place

[klinkman]

Ya, I know the preflop call was a stretch, the only reason I called is cuz I was up some $ and had it to play w... when he bet I figured he hit a pair & I guess I should have shoved it there, but I figured he would call me anyways, so whats the point... So I called to see if I could hit the open ender, Ace, or diamond... which if the straight or ace hit, I knew I was good, with the opportunity to improve even more w the nut flush... and when the diamond hits the turn, I figure I am more than priced in to carry it out to the end... when the ace hit I knew he was at 4 outs, so I give him good odds to call w the 20$ bet... just didnt work cuz the odds are skewed online, because this play will work 9 out of 10 times live... and has... but online if feels more like 6 0ut of 10

... but ya, I agree the best play in hindsight would be to not even call preflop in the first place

Wait...what?

You had nothing but a draw on the turn! He didn't have 4 outs, he had THE BEST HAND! You weren't good, you had a draw! You didn't have the nut flush draw, you had a 9 high flush draw!

I mean, you're quite live but you are never ahead with 97 there!

[ScareCrowAKA]

lol im sorry... I was thinking I had a ACE... this same kind of thing happend to me 3 different times that day... I had it confused w another hand where I hit the ace with a flush draw... sorry

my over all impression of internet poker over the last 4 months... is you cant slow play... if you do, the site punishes u for it... which makes sense I guess... hard betting on every street by multiple players = more rake

[ScareCrowAKA]

hahaha... Im just pissed, due to getting called for 15$ w 6,10 preflop, when there is 6$ in the pot... then shoving on the flop w A Q and getting snapped called on a 2,6,7 board... fake *** BS, lol... but as long as I keep pretty much breaking even... I will keep playing, even though I dont trust it

[nodepositneeded]

So where is everyone playing these days?

[ffcowboy76]

Seeing as you claimed things work differently live than online, I figured this needed to be pointed out again. There are MAJOR differences between online and live to consider. First and foremost is the sheer number of hands that are played every hour online vs live. You can AVERAGE 70+ hands an hour online at ONE table, show me a live game that comes even close. Most live games run about 40 hands an hour, which means playing 1 hour online is like playing an hour and a half live. This means you will see more bad beats online than live. If you play the same number of hours live vs online here is how big the difference becomes. Let's say you play 4 tables online at the same time and that you average 65 hands an hour online. If you play 10 hours of each live and online poker you will see 400 hands live and 2600 hand online.

If you look at odds of hand to hold versus draws you will see why you "seem" to lose more online than live.

We will use your hand from above and look at things. Say over the course of the 10 hours online you end up with 60 open ended straight draws like you had above, based on the comparison of hands you will have 10 of them live. Now you have 8 outs to improve on the turn. You are 17% to improve. That means that live 1 in 10 improves to a straight on the turn, while online 10 of 60 improve to straights. The odds are the same, but the volume makes it stick in your mind more.

The other huge difference between live and online is that people are only able to read your bet and make decisions on that alone. If you bet weak people will assume you are weak. If you bet strong people will assume you are strong. Mind you as you climb levels that rule doesn't always apply.

[nodepositneeded]

Where is everyone playing these days?