Best Discussion Hand EVER. (Reply or Die)

[eejit101]

Ok, background.

This is the FTOPS Main Event. Players are currently tight but betting flops with whatever they have.

The opponent here is pretty tight preflop, plays a hand an orbit if that.

No notes on him. No notes on anyone as i dont keep them, i knew what they had most of the time.

Ill post the hand here, then break it down in a reply with my thoughts after I get some replies tonight.

This is basically a test of your poker knowledge as to why I played it like I did. Think laterally, "outside the box" and maybe youll learn something, maybe you wont.

Please agree, disagree, mock me, love me, whatever you want.

Ill give REP like mad for good replies.



Full Tilt Poker Game #14833752438: MiniFTOPS Main Event (97436905), Table 1352 - 1700/3400 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:48:02 ET - 2009/09/20
Seat 1: X_CONZ4040 (86,826)
Seat 2: seiwertsystem (110,423)
Seat 3: Dic561 (73,770)
Seat 4: eejit101 (116,472)
Seat 5: mpetoxeros (46,043)
Seat 6: magicorlando (100,652)
Seat 7: highlite11 (84,646)
Seat 8: LadyInsa (16,970)
Seat 9: Workhorse05 (91,323)
X_CONZ4040 antes 400
seiwertsystem antes 400
Dic561 antes 400
eejit101 antes 400
mpetoxeros antes 400
magicorlando antes 400
highlite11 antes 400
LadyInsa antes 400
Workhorse05 antes 400
Workhorse05 posts the small blind of 1,700
X_CONZ4040 posts the big blind of 3,400
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eejit101 [6h 6d]
seiwertsystem folds
Dic561 folds
eejit101 raises to 11,022
mpetoxeros folds
magicorlando folds
highlite11 folds
LadyInsa folds
Workhorse05 calls 9,322
X_CONZ4040 has 15 seconds left to act
X_CONZ4040 folds
*** FLOP *** [2s Qd Ts]
Workhorse05 has 15 seconds left to act
Workhorse05 bets 10,000
eejit101 has 15 seconds left to act
eejit101 calls 10,000
*** TURN *** [2s Qd Ts] [Jc]
Workhorse05 has 15 seconds left to act
Workhorse05 bets 11,000
eejit101 raises to 25,000
Workhorse05 calls 14,000
*** RIVER *** [2s Qd Ts Jc] [9d]
Workhorse05 has 15 seconds left to act
Workhorse05 bets 17,000
eejit101 has 15 seconds left to act
eejit101 folds
Uncalled bet of 17,000 returned to Workhorse05
Workhorse05 shows [Jh Jd] three of a kind, Jacks
Workhorse05 wins the pot (99,044)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 99,044 | Rake 0
Board: [2s Qd Ts Jc 9d]
Seat 1: X_CONZ4040 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: seiwertsystem folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Dic561 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: eejit101 folded on the River
Seat 5: mpetoxeros folded before the Flop
Seat 6: magicorlando folded before the Flop
Seat 7: highlite11 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: LadyInsa (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Workhorse05 (small blind) collected (99,044)

[eejit101]

Umm..

IMO i played the hand fine if he doesnt bet the river like a noob. The purpose of the entire hand after the flop call was to take it ont he river.

The turn bet left him with 35k, and me with 75k. Where is your maths!

And I dont care if he should of won, i can take the hand with crap by setting up a perfect play if he doesnt price himself in

[ffcowboy76]

eejit I love the play you attempted to make. I think you would of been alot more successful with a larger bet on the turn. If you really had AK and put him on the set you would be doing everything to push him off the hand right there. He has 9 outs to beat your "straight" with a boat. You only basically min raised him on the turn when you "hit your straight," which isn't what you would normally do and I think he picked up on it. I think at that point you should of raised it up to 43k and make him really thing about what you might have.

I think if you make that move, I think you pick up the pot on the turn and you can show the huge bluff and use it to your advantage for future action.

[eejit101]

I dont.

this guy isnt a huge game player, i looked.

If i raised the turn he would think AA/KK/AK i reckon, and hed call on the set he had thinking im either good or I have the shove odds to basically give me the 9 outs i need.

Something similar. But he bet the river which is a strange move, so I dont think he is skilled enough to even think about laying down a set of Jacks here.

thoughts?

[navuta]

Just limp yours 66 next time..

I think He did a huge bluff since there was a Q on the board.
So.. If u would go kamikase and goes all-in he would fold. Or he could have a read on you and just call for the luck river.

Or maybe just fold your 66 next time.
U probably thought he had mad a straight so he mad a good play with that bet.. u could not call. So, if u have a middle or low pair, if u dont get a set on the flop and dangerous cards come on the board.. just fold..

[ferrengi]

I dont.

this guy isnt a huge game player, i looked.

If i raised the turn he would think AA/KK/AK i reckon, and hed call on the set he had thinking im either good or I have the shove odds to basically give me the 9 outs i need.

Something similar. But he bet the river which is a strange move, so I dont think he is skilled enough to even think about laying down a set of Jacks here.

thoughts?

Once he hits the set, I don't think you are ever getting a fold with any betting pattern on the turn.
I doubt anyone but a very strong player considers folding a set on the turn with this board.
I think you'd need the board to show 4 to a str8 or flush before someone would fold a set. How likely is it for you to have a str8 on the turn? I'd say it is at most a 20% chance (probably lower) which is not nearly high enough to even consider folding.

Once the 9 on the river comes, he has too much money in the pot and wouldn't fold. Maybe if a K had come and you could make an ace high str8 he'd consider it as there is at least a good chance you have an ace. But, the 9 on the river is a lot less threatening. He's not going to think you have an 8 because there is no hand you could've stayed in with and raised the turn that contains an 8. So the Q high str8 is out. Furthermore, there are not that many hands with a king you could have. You could have KK, maybe KQ (but that seems unlikely because why would you raise the turn with top pair K kicker? You hand is too weak for that).
You could have AK or K9 but then you would've already made a str8 on the turn (which he doesn't think you have because he stayed in the hand) and anyway, if you have one of those hands, the 9 changes nothing.

The only other possibility is that your small raise gave him odds to call the turn and try to hit a full house. However, once he bets the river, he is obviously not prepared to check fold even though the board didn't pair.

In my mind, the only time you had a chance to win this pot was on the flop (see my previous post if you're interested).

Also, as I mentioned, I don't agree with his river bet either. I don't know if I'd call it a noob bet but I don't think it accomplishes a whole lot.

[eejit101]

Its either a stupid bet that commits himself, or a genius bet and he knew what i had. Im predicting the former.

ferengi - i read your last post and think i shoulda raised the flop.

Navuta - The other guy showed JJ

[0maxpower0]

Ya see, it really comes down to this. If you hit a set with your 66, then you would have three 6's and then youd be the devil. So, whenever you have a 6 or an opportunity to hit trip 6s (or even if u have hit em) you gotta fold em. God would want u to.


Now trip 5's.... stay with em always :-p
-0max

[navuta]

Its either a stupid bet that commits himself, or a genius bet and he knew what i had. Im predicting the former.

ferengi - i read your last post and think i shoulda raised the flop.

Navuta - The other guy showed JJ

I know.. I was meaning before the end of the hand off course..
What about my + rep for my brilhant comment??

[eejit101]

Just for the fact that you asked me to rep you, means i now wont.

[navuta]

Just for the fact that you asked me to rep you, means i now wont.

ya right...
And now im sad... No more rep + for me?
never?
ever?
hummmmmm


EVIL EEJIT!!

Hey.. I deserve a rep...
Since I love u, And I love the fact that U and your Jen being toguether...
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Hi Jen... Make EEjit as happy as possible please.. We all need him here very happy...

Make him go back to his previous works.. I think he was happier there...

[eejit101]

Seriously, asking for rep makes me want to choke you.

If you never asked youd get alot more.

Shame i cant rep myself.

[eejit101]

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