well ringo with you not being in the bap anymore you should have stayed out of it. i mean really all it does is start the crap that went on today. and i am sorry to be blunt but you reap what you sew. you know i would ask ndn to take you off from being grounded but i don think it will do anything. hey ndn allow him to play in the games and nfl pools and just ban him from earning chips.