What about this hand here? Did I play well?

[navuta]

Ok, It might be my last hand post if I get critized to be a dumb donkey that dont listen to nobody.
BUT! im posting this because I REALLY whant to hear about it.
(People here expect me to enter NDN forum and after on week be the best player ever?) I dont get it.

[navuta]

I knew he was bluffing.

[GloBug]

Ok, It might be my last hand post if I get critized to be a dumb donkey that dont listen to nobody.
BUT! im posting this because I REALLY whant to hear about it.
(People here expect me to enter NDN forum and after on week be the best player ever?) I dont get it.

well i think it was a great play but i need to ask u did u actually think that u had him or did u think he was bluffing? thats the real question. noone expects u to be pro after a week. get over it. thats a little old. u played it well but it could have turned out bad for on the hopes that u had best hand. yes he was bluffing but he did have top pair bad kicker then he had the flush draw also. so i say u were a 52/48 percent to win on flop. it might be more to him.

[GloBug]

I knew he was bluffing.

well he wasnt bluffing he had top pair. look at the hand again. his kicker was bad but he had the flush draw. he had odds to beat u.

[freeringo]

It is really hard to figure anyones play out at the 2-4 cents cash game level.
Nobody takes it that serious.

[navuta]

It is really hard to figure anyones play out at the 2-4 cents cash game level.
Nobody takes it that serious.

U never plays cash games ringo?

[CreamSoda]

Limping A8o in early position is not a good idea imo. Play tight preflop and only raise, almost never limp, especially at these limits.

[CreamSoda]

It is really hard to figure anyones play out at the 2-4 cents cash game level.
Nobody takes it that serious.

Contrary to popular belief, bad players are much easier to beat than good players. Although, variance might be a little higher.

[GloBug]

well it worked out and cream i agree. but it is low blinds. lol

[eejit101]

fold preflop, and stop moaning

[freeringo]

U never plays cash games ringo?

I never play cash games. Never

[thenutzaa1]

you won that is the good thing but your not doing the right things here. tight preflop and good player takes both of your money with a pockey pair higher than 8's.....you got luck to dodge the clubs but on the LONG RUN YOU WILL LOSE A LOT OF MONEY PLAYING THIS WAY....

so step 1 tighten up in the lower levels.....

two play tighter...

[navuta]

you won that is the good thing but your not doing the right things here. tight preflop and good player takes both of your money with a pockey pair higher than 8's.....you got luck to dodge the clubs but on the LONG RUN YOU WILL LOSE A LOT OF MONEY PLAYING THIS WAY....

so step 1 tighten up in the lower levels.....

two play tighter...

Ok.. but comes to decision.
I had better cards.
And I won.
I have being only earning money on cash games lately.

[thenutzaa1]

i am just rying to help and i am saying over the long haul you wont be....spec if sharks come done to lower limits.....

A8o is called dead mans hand....

1 b/c you can not connect a straight!!!
2 if you hit you 8 or Ace you dont know if your good at all
3 i would not play a8off at all.....you may win hands like you won today but that wont last long!!!!

[eejit101]

i am just rying to help and i am saying over the long haul you wont be....spec if sharks come done to lower limits.....

A8o is called dead mans hand....

1 b/c you can not connect a straight!!!
2 if you hit you 8 or Ace you dont know if your good at all
3 i would not play a8off at all.....you may win hands like you won today but that wont last long!!!!

Thats all wrong. A8 is "dead mans hand" because Wild Bill had AA88J when he died and whatever else. It carried over the poker. But i do like your theorising.

Ok.. but comes to decision.
I had better cards.
And I won.
I have being only earning money on cash games lately.

I could write an essay on this.

Your being too results orientated. It doesnt matter what happened after you go all in, if you win, lose, whatever, its the theory and the thought and the moves that are debatable.

In this situation we all feel i think that A8 is a mediocre hand.With a fair amount of action on the flop there would normally be an overpair out there, or a pair and a flush draw, or god knows what.

Simply put navuta, in my opinion you should do the following...

1 - Stop playing for one day.
2 - On the day, learn pot odds, starting hand values, everything you can,
3 - Get a poker book audio version in spanish/portugese (whichever u speak) and listen to it. It can only help.
4 - Come back, try what you have learnt.
5 - Lose less, or win because your more skilled, not because you get dealt better hands or get lucky.

[CreamSoda]

Eejit hit the nail on the head.

Being results oriented is possibly the biggest mistake anyone can make in poker.

Just because you win a single hand or are even up money over a small sample size doesnt mean youre playing well. (even 30 or 40 THOUSAND hands is not enough to prove you are a winner)

On the contrary, just because you are losing over the short term doesnt mean you are playing poorly.

Variance is a *****.

[eejit101]

At least we agree on something man

This forum is attracting alot of bad variance right now. I swear ive forgotten how to get from 20% left in a MTT to 1%. Its annoying

[GloBug]

well it went in one ear and out the other. im not gonna bother . lol

[freeringo]

At least we agree on something man

This forum is attracting alot of bad variance right now. I swear ive forgotten how to get from 20% left in a MTT to 1%. Its annoying

Back to Basics.

Since We are starting fresh with the rep points deal
we should all focus on the Poker Basics again.
It is easy to lose sight of things.

What do you say?

[navuta]

Thats all wrong. A8 is "dead mans hand" because Wild Bill had AA88J when he died and whatever else. It carried over the poker. But i do like your theorising.





I could write an essay on this.

Your being too results orientated. It doesnt matter what happened after you go all in, if you win, lose, whatever, its the theory and the thought and the moves that are debatable.

In this situation we all feel i think that A8 is a mediocre hand.With a fair amount of action on the flop there would normally be an overpair out there, or a pair and a flush draw, or god knows what.

Simply put navuta, in my opinion you should do the following...

1 - Stop playing for one day.
2 - On the day, learn pot odds, starting hand values, everything you can,
3 - Get a poker book audio version in spanish/portugese (whichever u speak) and listen to it. It can only help.
4 - Come back, try what you have learnt.
5 - Lose less, or win because your more skilled, not because you get dealt better hands or get lucky.

Im doing all this, but in english.
I cant calculate every and each draw odd on everyhand. But I can calculate.
Like for example, we have 6 and J on hand, comes the 789 flop. We have 16 draws. Thats makes 20% based on number of cards.
So, I should not call any raise bigger than 20% of the pot.

Thats how is it done i think..
I know I still lots to learn.. I promise to study buddy ejjit.. hope u can always help me out like u do... just have little bit more pacience...
Thanks for all.

[GloBug]

Im doing all this, but in english.
I cant calculate every and each draw odd on everyhand. But I can calculate.
Like for example, we have 6 and J on hand, comes the 789 flop. We have 16 draws. Thats makes 20% based on number of cards.
So, I should not call any raise bigger than 20% of the pot.

Thats how is it done i think..
I know I still lots to learn.. I promise to study buddy ejjit.. hope u can always help me out like u do... just have little bit more pacience...
Thanks for all.

well if u have a J6 and your not on a blind that hasnt been raised. then u are playing playing it wrong from the gate.

[CreamSoda]

Im doing all this, but in english.
I cant calculate every and each draw odd on everyhand. But I can calculate.
Like for example, we have 6 and J on hand, comes the 789 flop. We have 16 draws. Thats makes 20% based on number of cards.
So, I should not call any raise bigger than 20% of the pot.

Thats how is it done i think..
I know I still lots to learn.. I promise to study buddy ejjit.. hope u can always help me out like u do... just have little bit more pacience...
Thanks for all.

I think that math is right based on purely pot odds.

But youre assuming youre going to get to see the turn and river for that single bet. And also, you have the sucker end of the straight. What if he has a J and you hit a T?

When drawing dont forget about implied odds also. If your both short, implied odds are never that good (if youre both short, and you flop a good draw, just shoving is prob not a bad idea....assuming youre not toooo short).

Calling with a draw can be justified much more easily if you both have alot of chips, and think you will win alot if you do hit the draw. Its sometimes even worth it to call a pot bet with only an open ended if its well disguised and you can take a 50+ big blind stack if you hit.

[navuta]

well if u have a J6 and your not on a blind that hasnt been raised. then u are playing playing it wrong from the gate.

where do u see this assumpcion?

[navuta]

I think that math is right based on purely pot odds.

But youre assuming youre going to get to see the turn and river for that single bet. And also, you have the sucker end of the straight. What if he has a J and you hit a T?

When drawing dont forget about implied odds also. If your both short, implied odds are never that good (if youre both short, and you flop a good draw, just shoving is prob not a bad idea....assuming youre not toooo short).

Calling with a draw can be justified much more easily if you both have alot of chips, and think you will win alot if you do hit the draw. Its sometimes even worth it to call a pot bet with only an open ended if its well disguised and you can take a 50+ big blind stack if you hit.

I see your point. Makes sense.
Thanks.

[GloBug]

where do u see this assumpcion?

its not a ASSUMPTION it is me just telling u that if u dont have it preflop in this situation u shouldnt even be in hand. u didnt elaborate on where u would have this hand. so i am just telling u thats should be the only way u play them. u know what ever i dont even fing care. dont bother replying to this.