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Today marks what would have been the 69th birthday of John Lennon. More than anything else, he championed peace and love in his music, and challenged us to do the same. Today his widow, Yoko Ono, challenges us to perform an act of peace to commemorate John's life. What will you do today to bring peace to the world? Just remember, like John, we all shine on.
I will try not to yell at or fire anyone on my crew.
imagine all the people...
Obama winning the Noble peace prize on John Lennons birthday is
a perfect way to sybolize what was in Johns heart.
Awesome Awesome Awesome
lmao,, you and I think alike I think lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lilred36
Is an embarrassment to everything the award stands for? I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
huh why? What has he done wrong?
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Originally Posted by freeringo
The Nobel peace prize isn't an award for not doing anything wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by eejit101
The correct question is WHAT has he done to earn it?
Hell, he hasn't even done anything for this country, 9 months into his presidency.
The healthcare bill (dunno whats gone on with that tho)
Cash for "conkers" or whatever
He is fixing middle east slowly.
The UN speech he gave.
I think he is getting it for wanting it to be done.
My question is - is America really that slow to get things done. You cant just decide to do something, it has to go thru a court, then a senate, then congress, then the president, hell, somethings Barack cant even decide on.
Its all flawed
The health care bill is a mess and should never be passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by eejit101
Cash for clunkers is an even bigger mess than health care and is having the complete opposite effect of what was expected.
He hasn't done crap in the middle east.
You don't get peace prizes for speeches.
This is almost as bad as Al Gore getting a Nobel Prize for making a pseudo-mentary.
Remember post.....PEACE guys PEACE lol...cant we just all get along
Thanks truwu, way to hijack my thread guys. Anyway, as for me, I will try not to get frustrated so easily about things beyond my control. I will enjoy the wonderful things and people God has put in my life and the circumstances in which I find myself.
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Originally Posted by TerpZone
Eejit is right about the fact that our system of bickering slows down all the decisions that are made.
The question you should be asking yourself Terp, is "What can you do for your country and your neighbor."
Are you going to try and spread a meassage of love and understanding or a message of hate and devisiveness?
That noble peace prize was an award to the American people for having the guts to want change from the fear mongering of our past and the guts to overwhelmingly elect our first black president.
Barrack Obama represents an American ideology that is not afraid to stand up to the greed and evil that is consuming our great country.
Instead of spending the next 7 years hating on Obama, try to except it and focus on your local community and how you can be a value to your community.
Peace will heal you
Hate will consume you
You're delusional if you think Obama has ANY chance at a second term as it stands right now. He has accomplished nothing and has delivered and NO promises.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
Standing up to the greed and evil? The only reason he even bothered trying to get the Olympics to Chicago was to give kickbacks back to his supporters during the election.
I understand if you're uninformed, but don't go around acting like Obama has accomplished something and is in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize. It was a ridiculous gesture and was awarded to Obama for simply not being Bush. He was put up for it less than two weeks after being sworn in, not like he's done anything since then, but sitll. It is an insult to past winners of the award.
So what is the problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by TerpZone
Why would anyone be upset at our sitting president gets honored with an award.
The award is a compliment to the American people.
Read what you are saying Terp.
You are filled with contempt toward our president for what reason?
What are you going to do to improve your community around you?
I don't need to be informed to join in on the peaceful narrative that Obama is all about.
I challenge you Terp to post something positive about life.
Your pessimistic attitude is not healthy to you or anyone listening to you.
Instead of pointing your fingers and crossing your arms, try to open your arms and love thy neighbor and love thy enemy.
Only then will you be happy and find peace.
I really feel sorry for you Terp. Truly, because you seem to have really bought into the extreme radical right that wants our presdent to fail at everything he does.
What kind of American does that make you?
I look forward to a better reply than your last.
Instaed of pointing your finger at me calling me delusional, try to share with us, what's really in your heart.
Hate comes from the ego, not the heart.
FFT
Did you ever consider that Obama might be the 100th monkey?
You may want to better educate yourself on this topic before responding.
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Originally Posted by TerpZone
Are there ANY black people you respect and admire?
If Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods was president, would you support them?
If Hillary Clinton was president, would you support her?
You are only 22 years of age and you act like you know something about life.
You have a lot to learn kid.
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Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles
This is a perfect message for our young negative members to ponder about.
Instead of finding something to be angry about, look at the wonderful things in life.
Not to mention the health problems that long term negativity will cause.
God bless you Tay.
Terp, my advice to you at your tender age is to save money, work your *** off while you are strong and try to get in touch with your heart.
Living in your ego is no way to live.
I know this will probally go in one ear and out the other.
It took me until I was 31 before I figured all this out.
Heres a good suggestion: try to live your life like a golfer would.
Golfers cannot preform well if they are not calm inside.
Lose the Ego
Jesus, this got deep.
Ringo - surely terp can decide for himself if Obama has done anything since he has been in office. To be fair ive done some googling now, and it doesnt exactly seem like he has done a whole lot. Maybe because he isnt allowed, but who knows. And maybe they gave him the prize for publicity, first black prez and all that. Maybe for his "struggle to break stereotypes", but then again surely the peace prize should go to someone who has stopped wars, isnt that peace? Therefore, give it soe peace protestors in Israel or something.
As for the other bits, i lost caring after typing 10 lines:)
It's funny that so many in the US think Obama has done nothing. Much of the rest of the world disagrees:
Russia on Nobel Peace Prize: Obama thawing 'second cold war'
Russia on Nobel Peace Prize: Obama thawing 'second cold war' | csmonitor.com
Moscow - Russia is one place where US President Barack Obama's influence has perceptibly moved the needle away from Bush-era frostiness, dubbed by some a 'second cold war', toward a new dialogue and hopes for better cooperation.
In Moscow, the reaction to the news of Mr. Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize was surprised, but welcoming.
"It's hard to see how he's done anything in a few months that merits a Nobel Prize," says Pavel Zolotaryov, deputy director of the official Institute of USA-Canada Studies in Moscow. "Yet it seems logical. It reflects the world's support for his promises to move in a new direction, and hope that he will have the strength to see it through."
Obama has convinced Russian President Dmitri Medvedev to sign on to his vision of working toward a nuclear weapons free world, and the two have pledged to deliver a major new strategic arms reduction treaty by the end of this year. At a Kremlin summit meeting in July, the two leaders hit it off and agreed to a full "reset" of the vexed US-Russia relationship. And last month, Obama appeared to deliver on that pledge by unilaterally shelving Bush-era plans to station antimissile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic, which had for several years been the single biggest strategic irritant between Moscow and Washington.
"In recent years, our relations had just been getting worse and worse; it was like a dialogue between the blind and the deaf," says Elina Kirichenko, a North America expert at the official Institute of World Economy and International Relations in Moscow. "But Obama has turned that around. At least he stopped making harsh statements that anger Moscow, and made an effort to understand Russia's feelings and concerns."
Ireland:
Nobel Peace Prize for Obama
THERE IS, in the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to President Barack Obama, a potent, symbolic echo of that awarded in 1919 to the last US president in office to win it. Woodrow Wilson had seen emerging out of the tragic bloodbath of the first World War a new moral imperative, the crying need for global, co-ordinated action against war, specifically the creation of an institutional forum through which the nations of the world could settle their differences, the League of Nations. Wilson won the award largely for his efforts to create the league though, ironically, he would lose the battle with Republicans back at home to prevail on the US to join it.
Fast forward. Today, it is precisely Mr Obama’s Wilsonian contribution to re-engaging the US with multilateral diplomacy, with its “emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play”, which is cited by the Norwegian Nobel Committee as the key rationale for its bold and welcome decision. “Obama has, as president, created a new climate in international politics,” the committee argues with much justification. Or in other words, though not stated, he has turned the page on what the committee, reflecting its European perspective, would have seen as the malign Bush years.
It also praised the importance of his “vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons” in kickstarting disarmament negotiations and his part in giving a new hope to the Copenhagen climate change talks process. Mr Obama’s important engagement with Islam in his Cairo speech will certainly also have played its part in the committee’s decision.
Premature? The award has created controversy worldwide. There have been some grudging responses to the announcement. Mr Obama, speaking at the UN General Assembly at his first appearance there last month, admitted his work is only beginning. “I have been in office for just nine months, though some days it seems a lot longer,” he told world leaders. Hold on, the critics say, he’s only just in office, his efforts to bring the parties together in the Middle East have borne little fruit and North Korea and Iran are showing little sign of giving up their nuclear ambitions. He is leading a country which is embroiled in what many see as two unwinnable wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is definitely pot-half-empty territory.
Yet, in truth, although he may as yet have no treaties under his designer belt and most of the challenges he faces are still very much work in progress, Mr Obama’s achievements are substantive, and very real. American foreign policy has been set on a new course, multilateral diplomacy on issues like armaments has been given a new lease of life and the nature and language of international dialogue has been transformed. Like Al Gore’s, whose Nobel prize for campaigning on climate change preceded his by two years, Mr Obama’s award is about his creation of political possibilities and space, and the real power of ideas and personal example. The power, as Mr Obama himself would say, of hope.
(End)
Japan:
HIROSHIMA/NAGASAKI, Oct 10 (Kyodo) - ... ''It was encouraging,'' said 84-year-old Sunao Tsuboi, who heads Nihon Hidankyo, or the Japan Confederation of A- and H-Bomb Sufferers Organizations, in Hiroshima.
''I hope the president will go full-out for a world without nuclear weapons" ...
Akihiro Takahashi, a former president of the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, said, ''It's fantastic that the prize was given for the Prague speech receiving recognition.'' ''I want to send a letter to the president to ask him to continue and further emphasize his efforts to abolish all nuclear arms, and come visit Hiroshima,'' the 78-year-old said.
Emiko Okada, 72, who is engaged in sharing her hibakusha experience in the United States and elsewhere, said, ''It was surprise news. I feel like the light is coming to the dark and flowers are bursting out. No one will oppose the goal of eliminating nuclear weapons any longer.'' In Nagasaki, Hirotami Yamada of the Nagasaki Atomic Bomb Survivors Council said, ''It's very encouraging for our campaigns that the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize made clear that eliminating nuclear weapons is the right thing.'' Former Nagasaki University President Hideo Tsuchiyama, who is now a member of the Committee of Seven for World Peace that groups leading Japanese intellectuals, said, ''The United States as a powerful country should take the leadership on nuclear issues.'' ''We've been collecting signatures to ask him to visit the (two) cities, and he now deserves such a visit not only as the U.S. president but also as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate,'' he said. (Kyodo)
MCOT English News : A-bomb survivors delighted at Obama winning Nobel Peace Prize
Bush had the world hating us and Obama has us headed back in the other direction. In my opinion that alone makes him worthy of the prize.
I may want to educate myself? I'm willing to wager you don't even know the basics of the proposed health care and/or what the repercussions of cash for clunkers even are. Hell, you said yourself in this same post that you're not informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
I haven't bought into anything, extreme right or not. The burden on proof here is on you, not me. I have witness a president who has accomplished NOTHING of worth while in office and delivered and ZERO campaign promises.
If you can prove this incorrect, I'm all ears. But you can't, because he has done nothing despite people's love for him. Obama did not deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. Maybe in the next 3 years he will do something worthwhile of the award, but he has no yet and considering the way he can't get anything done despite his party controlling both house and senate, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Take off your rose colored glasses. Take a look at what he's actually done rather than what you think he stands for. There is no substance.
You're out of your mind for turning this into a racist thing. I couldn't care less about the color of his skin. Continue on as if you know what you're talking about though, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
I'm not the one ignorant enough to support him blindly just because he IS black. No, I hold him to the same standards as any other president.
That's my point. He got this award because he's not George Bush. While yes that is most certainly a wonderful thing for this country, it is not Nobel worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by eejit101
I heart a joke the other day:
Why didn't Obama win a Nobel Prize for Literature?
Spoiler
cum ba ya my lord cum ba ya...cum ba ya my Lord cum ba ya........oh Lord cum ba ya.............
cum by ya? Dirty woman.
And is Obamas book written by himself, or ghostwritten
Whatever the prize is for, it should be stated as so... Wouldn't you think? Why not be honest?Quote:
Originally Posted by eejit101
Sorry Tay really!
But I have a question for both Ringo and TerpZ. I wonder does it really matter what any of us thinks? Would it change anything? Could what anyone of us think make a difference? If any of these questions has a yes as the answer. Please explain. Thanks, Lori :drool5:
You aren't insinuating that it's not worthwhile to be politically informed, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by BnLM5
..........Dirty manQuote:
Originally Posted by eejit101
And how is i that this thread that started about peace turned in to anger and hatred towards our president as well as other things?!? Just curious. Cant we just all get along??
Wow this thread exploded. Ummm I don't really know what to say except I guess this goes to show why we still need John's message in this world! :willy_nilly: I think both Terp and Ringo have well-taken points here, just...let's stop all the fight! War is over, if you want it.
You are answering a question with a question. Lol What kind of answer is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by TerpZone
To answer you question... I am not insinuating anything. It is just a question in ref to the debate. I just wanted to know yours and Ringos opinion on this. That's all.
I learned many years ago Lori that it is best to focus on the things you can control in your life and not the things you can't control.Quote:
Originally Posted by BnLM5
I also came to realize that I don't know near as much as I thought I did and that there are a vast amount of people smarter than me.
This debate started because Terp decided to take hijack Tays thread about peace and John Lennons birthday and turned it into his
own I hate Obama thread. I was hoping to help him see that negativity
in any form is not good for anyone and to try to view life in a more positive and helpful way. I tried to help.
I am sorry now that I included Obama in the same post as Lennon,
as a comparision of a symbol for peace.
As far as Terps challenge for me to show him proof of accomplishments
making him worthy of a noble peace prize.
Well theJuanupsman showed a great perspective.
Terp says NAY and Ringo say YAY.
Yay for peace, love and understanding and the message that Obama
sends to the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles
I don't have a problem with you making that comparison, it made sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
So basically you can't prove it, because he has done nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
Obama is, so far, a failure in office. You can deny it because you want everything to be happy, but that doesn't change the validity of my statement.
Not to continue the hijacking of my own thread, but would you say that because George W. Bush did most everything he pledged to do as president, that made him a success in office? Because I wouldn't. Nobody's perfect, and it's not like Obama isn't trying to get things done. Fact is, our government isn't set up in a way where he can just wave a magic wand and make everything always go his way. That's the reason we got out of the situation we were in as colonists and founded this country in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerpZone
Bush was a horrible president. But Obama has the house and senate in his partyQuote:
Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles
Is there anyone you do like and admire in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by TerpZone
Sounds to me that you dislike everyone.
Really sad
You have failed to answer anyones questions?
I don't need to prove anything about Obama.
He has a big heart and a greeting hand, that's all I need.
Where's the love Terp?
Please tell us what makes you happy.
We would love to know.
I know!
1 - Yankees
2 - His GF (mine is hotter)
3 - The fact he doesnt work.
4 - Alochol
5 - Sarcasm
6 - Obnoxious"ism"
7 - Me!
You're the one who is delusional and fails to see the world for how it really is. Having a "big heart" is not enough to win a Nobel Peace Prize. And you don't even have proof that he does have a "big heart" other than you want it to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeringo
And you forgot Peyton Manning, eejit. I love Peyton Manning.