Important Announcement

August 31st is the final day that you will be able to redeem your chips for poker money, casino money, or Amazon.com money.

On September 1st, these items will be removed from The NDN Shop.

If you would like to redeem your chips for any of these items, please do so before August 31st.

Due to a predicted increase in the volume of these requests, all requests made from this point on will be processed within 90-days as opposed to the standard 7-day processing period that we have been using.

After September 1st your chips will essentially have no cash value so it's extremely important that you redeem them before that date.

The loyalty system is an important part of NDN and it will continue to be a unique feature even after these items are removed from The NDN Shop.

Here are some examples of things that you will be able to redeem your chips for in the near future:

Daily, Weekly, and Monthly drawings for poker money.

Monthly drawings for large items (such as Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and more).

Frequent freeroll poker tournaments with real money prize pools (possibly as frequent as 1-2 games per day).

There are many more things that you will be able to do with your chips in the near future.

Changes are coming soon so be sure to keep an eye out for them!

Ok thanks NDN! Sounds like your gonna be doing a bit of revamping in the forum, but it sounds gret and i look foward to what is in the works for the near future. :drool5:

sounds good. cant wait for th enew changes but i am sure there will be a few who disagree. i like the draawing though.

lol u werent jiving when u said u were gonna make some changes. dam its a revamp. lol well any ways we are about to find out the true ndners here in the next month. well i hope this goes well. i am all for it. i want BAP shares more than poker money anyways. i think they will be worth a nice bit. Speaking of the BAP will we be able to exchange chips for shares? i know u said they will be worthless but i think drawings make them worth something. that my only question right now. well good luck ndn i hope there arent to many headaches for u. :drool5:

I will be here no matter what! Because I love you NDN! If I said it once I will say it 1000 times over, I was here before the chip system and I will be here if there isn't a chip system at all. Obviously I am not here for money! True people and true friend = a whole lot more than money could ever buy!

Well I hope the peeps here really appreciate it,I haven't heard of anyone else ever doing this.I think you have went above and beyond what any other forum has done.I was here with a bunch of posts and rants before the chips system and will be here after.Loyalty after all is my middle name, if ya need anything sir just ask,if I can I will.

Glo - You can still redee your chips for BAP shares as far as i know, but id do it fast.

And the changes will probably make the forum better, so stick with it

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Originally Posted by eejit101

Glo - You can still redee your chips for BAP shares as far as i know, but id do it fast.

And the changes will probably make the forum better, so stick with it

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Definitely! i cant imagine NDN coming up with anything I wouldn't enjoy... change is not about loss... you are just replacing one fun for another fun... we all need to remember that NDN owns and is responsible for any incoming and outgoing monies..... I am so grateful to him for allowing me to be a part of this..... He has never dissappointed me ..... I don't forsee him ever disappointing me..... I'm siked to find out how he plans to dazzel us next. Bring it NDN!

I'm with B...I was here way before the chip system and I will be here after the chip system. This site has given me lots of entertainment thru the years and will continue to do so. NDN has also helped with some of life's problems. What other site can you play poker, blackjack, sports and vent all at the same time. NDN offers everything and for this I say thank you. NDN, you're the best!

Cant belive it is happing....
hum.... I will cry a lot...
It is somehow sad... as I it have given me a lot of oportunity to make me money...

BUT!!! Off course I will not leave NDN forum for nothing in this world...
So... I will be here forever dont matter what...

THANK U NDN FOR ALL U HAVE DONE FOR US...
I know all the improvements are for our good...

WE LOVE U SO MUCH... (iven without money)

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Thanks for your understanding everyone!

I fully expect to make this place better with every change that I make, so I hope that's the case with this one. It shouldn't take too long to start seeing some new things, so just keep an eye out.

Regarding The BAP:

You can continue to redeem your chips for BAP shares up until the 13th (or whatever day we have it scheduled to close for new shares).

From that point on, it's likely that BAP shares will need to be purchased with real money.

Just to be clear, the BAP shares will always hold their real cash value. They will be paid out via poker transfers and not chips.

all these changes. I FEAR CHANGE! LOL. Actually I'm kind of anxious to see what exactly is going to be changed. As long as the BAP is going, ill be around :-p. Whatever you do N, you got a loyal forum frequenter here, no matter what. I imagine the changes are only going to make the site better... and i cant wait to see em. Thanks for the timely heads up to, would rather know a month ahead of time, than like a few days or a week. always lookin out for us N :-p

-0max

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

Thanks for your understanding everyone!

I fully expect to make this place better with every change that I make, so I hope that's the case with this one. It shouldn't take too long to start seeing some new things, so just keep an eye out.

Regarding The BAP:

You can continue to redeem your chips for BAP shares up until the 13th (or whatever day we have it scheduled to close for new shares).

From that point on, it's likely that BAP shares will need to be purchased with real money.

Just to be clear, the BAP shares will always hold their real cash value. They will be paid out via poker transfers and not chips.

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No problem, I think we will always understand your side NDN.

I dont like the idea of not being able of redeem chips for the bap.
But I understand your side, since the bap shares will be tranferred as poker money, so, it would not make sense for u to let people be able to redeem share for money. Otherwise it would be tha same thing as buying poker money with chips.
So, I hope all the changes can make people happy enought to make than come here everyday, like I do and love.;
THANK U ONCE MORE NDN... U ARE GREAT...

I enjoyed using the chips to get money on fulltilt. I'm sad to see this option expire, but look forward to the changes in store.

Right on NDN. I'll miss the Amazon.com money, but I'm sure you have something better in mind, at least I hope so! I plan to stick around, but I'll wait until you give us more detail about what's changing before I comment :) Only fair. Either way, I'm not going anywhere!

My only question initially though is how the rep system will work with the new changes with less opportunities to use chips for money prizes?

Also regarding the BAP- can shares bought with real money be paid for through poker money we have at various sites? Or will this need to be done with a credit card?

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Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles

Right on NDN. I'll miss the Amazon.com money, but I'm sure you have something better in mind, at least I hope so! I plan to stick around, but I'll wait until you give us more detail about what's changing before I comment :) Only fair. Either way, I'm not going anywhere!

My only question initially though is how the rep system will work with the new changes with less opportunities to use chips for money prizes?

Also regarding the BAP- can shares bought with real money be paid for through poker money we have at various sites? Or will this need to be done with a credit card?

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I'm not 100% certain yet, but I believe we will still be using the rep system. Since you will still be able to use your chips for various things, the system will still be open to abuse so we will need to be able to limit the abuse with the rep system and the other "rules" that we have in place.

BAP shares can be purchased using your chips up until it closes and shares can no longer be purchased.

When the BAP opens and shares can be purchased again, you can use your poker money on any of the four sites that we'll be using.

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

I'm not 100% certain yet, but I believe we will still be using the rep system. Since you will still be able to use your chips for various things, the system will still be open to abuse so we will need to be able to limit the abuse with the rep system and the other "rules" that we have in place.

BAP shares can be purchased using your chips up until it closes and shares can no longer be purchased.

When the BAP opens and shares can be purchased again, you can use your poker money on any of the four sites that we'll be using.

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Just a quick question. What four sites are gonna be used for the BAP?

Cake, Full Tilt, Poker Stars, PDC/Carbon are the rooms we will be using for the BAP.

will shares of the BAP still be able to be bought??

lol srn nvm

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Originally Posted by esmordan

will shares of the BAP still be able to be bought??

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Only until the BAP starts...
Than it will only be possible to buy it with poker money....
I if I was u I would buy lots of shares for the BAP until.
While it is possible...

Is it NDN's recommendation that we dump our chips now or should we save them for better days ahead?

I am confused by the sudden mix up of things, after we were just getting use to the new rep system. (just 30 days old) Now it sounds like it may be abandoned.


Being in limbo is the worst feeling.
I don't know what to do with my chips now.

Is bingo worth playing anymore?
Is the poker room going to die?

The idea that a chip is worth real money has such an appeal.
The idea that a chip will get you a lottery ticket not as appealing.

Waiting and not knowing is such bitter sorrow.:toetap05:

Farewell chips for cash, we will miss you.


I know it's none of my business NDN, but I need to ask.
I always wondered about the legal ramifications regarding chips for cash.
Did your accountant have somthing to do with this?

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Due to a predicted increase in the volume of these requests, all requests made from this point on will be processed within 90-days as opposed to the standard 7-day processing period that we have been using.

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This is a scary statement to me.
This sounds like a business going out of business or going bankrupt.

NDN, you have scared everyone on the forum, with no explanation and a predicted long wait till any of us see the new plan.

We just went through an emotional turmoil 30 days ago with the new rep system.
Now we all have to deal with this new confusing change when we are all a little fragile right now.
I'm feeling hurt and Eejit being gone 9 days.
I feel like a week from now, Eejit comes back and yells APRIL FOOLS or something like GOTCHA.

Talk to us please NDN.
You owe us this much.
Tell us Why?

At least tell us something that should get us excited.
We need that right now.
Im deflated, pump me up

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Originally Posted by freeringo

Is it NDN's recommendation that we dump our chips now or should we save them for better days ahead?

I am confused by the sudden mix up of things, after we were just getting use to the new rep system. (just 30 days old) Now it sounds like it may be abandoned.


Being in limbo is the worst feeling.
I don't know what to do with my chips now.

Is bingo worth playing anymore?
Is the poker room going to die?

The idea that a chip is worth real money has such an appeal.
The idea that a chip will get you a lottery ticket not as appealing.

Waiting and not knowing is such bitter sorrow.:toetap05:

Farewell chips for cash, we will miss you.


I know it's none of my business NDN, but I need to ask.
I always wondered about the legal ramifications regarding chips for cash.
Did your accountant have somthing to do with this?

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If you have any doubt that what I have planned won't be of any interest to you, then I would suggest you redeem your chips for poker money before the deadline.

You will always be able to earn more chips, so it's better safe than sorry.

I personally believe that the chips will still be highly valuable in the future and that they won't lose any appeal.

Since the chips will still be of value, I think the poker room and bingo game will still be popular and I have no plans to get rid of either game (the developer is still working on changes to the games and I will get the Racetrack and Blackjack back up as soon as he can get the changes done).

Just to be clear, you will have complete control over your chips and what you choose to do with them is up to you. You will not have to invest your chips in the future in any "lottery" situations. There will be added drawings, but there will also be many other things that you can do with the chips. I briefly outlined some of the new changes (I think in this post) but I will try to add a more detailed post in a few moments.

There were several things that motivated me to make this change, but legal issues wasn't one of them. The loyalty system was perfectly legal and we will be continuing with a system that's still extremely valuable to everyone.

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Originally Posted by freeringo

This is a scary statement to me.
This sounds like a business going out of business or going bankrupt.

NDN, you have scared everyone on the forum, with no explanation and a predicted long wait till any of us see the new plan.

We just went through an emotional turmoil 30 days ago with the new rep system.
Now we all have to deal with this new confusing change when we are all a little fragile right now.
I'm feeling hurt and Eejit being gone 9 days.
I feel like a week from now, Eejit comes back and yells APRIL FOOLS or something like GOTCHA.

Talk to us please NDN.
You owe us this much.
Tell us Why?

At least tell us something that should get us excited.
We need that right now.
Im deflated, pump me up

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There is nothing to be scared of in that statement. It would be EXTREMELY rare that any request would take longer than the usual 7-day period, but I implemented that term just to cover myself in case there was a massive amount of requests (specifically casino money requests because it can take a while for them to get the information to me).

I don't believe I have "scared" anyone on the forum (although your post might have scared people). You will begin to see the new changes/plan this month and until then you are still free to earn/redeem your chips for poker money, casino money, and Amazon.com money.

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

There is nothing to be scared of in that statement. It would be EXTREMELY rare that any request would take longer than the usual 7-day period, but I implemented that term just to cover myself in case there was a massive amount of requests (specifically casino money requests because it can take a while for them to get the information to me).

I don't believe I have "scared" anyone on the forum (although your post might have scared people). You will begin to see the new changes/plan this month and until then you are still free to earn/redeem your chips for poker money, casino money, and Amazon.com money.

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90 day period is loooooong.....
No panic!!!!
NDN LOVE US STILL!
At least we have one month to enjoy the last remanings of this great site..

Im just wondering where is the NDNPT.... Is there something better than it comming up???

:)

Why the change? There are several reasons why I am making a change.

Most importantly, I decided to make this change because the current system took a LOT of work to maintain (for myself as well as eejit101).

The current system is open to far too much abuse and even after several attempts to curb the abuse there has been little improvement.

I've grown progressively frustrated at the amount of arguments I have seen between members of the forum in regards to our loyalty system and that's the complete opposite affect of what the system is supposed to do.

I've had to ban more members in the last month than I have had to ban in the last five years.

Just so everyone knows, NDN has been around for 5-years now and it is NOT going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by navuta

90 day period is loooooong.....
No panic!!!!
NDN LOVE US STILL!
At least we have one month to enjoy the last remanings of this great site..

Im just wondering where is the NDNPT.... Is there something better than it comming up???

:)

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Your comments hurt me Navuta. Specifically this comment:
At least we have one month to enjoy the last remanings of this great site..

If you believe NDN has nothing left to offer after September 1st then I am truly saddened.

I'd like to think that even without a loyalty system in place, this site still has a lot to offer and our community is still strong.

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

Why the change? There are several reasons why I am making a change.

Most importantly, I decided to make this change because the current system took a LOT of work to maintain (for myself as well as eejit101).

The current system is open to far too much abuse and even after several attempts to curb the abuse there has been little improvement.

I've grown progressively frustrated at the amount of arguments I have seen between members of the forum in regards to our loyalty system and that's the complete opposite affect of what the system is supposed to do.

I've had to ban more members in the last month than I have had to ban in the last five years.

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I think U should make ringo a moderator... He posts more than eejit.. and i think is more interessted on NDN than him... (u to are the right person to judge)...
Why would people abuse the system? Are they not happy with their benefits?
True.. about the arguments between people that complained about the rep system.. theses people dont deserve being here. I will Always be on your side NDN...

I know NDN will always be a very nice to come and meet my friends... IVen if this dosent give me nothing in exchange....

This place rocks and always will...

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

Your comments hurt me Navuta. Specifically this comment:
At least we have one month to enjoy the last remanings of this great site..

If you believe NDN has nothing left to offer after September 1st then I am truly saddened.

I'd like to think that even without a loyalty system in place, this site still has a lot to offer and our community is still strong.

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sorry... I was being a little sarcastic...

Ringo started complaing...lol.. Im not complaing at all..
I have no words to explain how Im on greatitude to NDN forum...
really.... Cant say how much this site has done for me..

PLEASE DONT DO LIKE ME.. Complaing just to complain....
Sorry NDN...

Though I don't have anything set in stone - Here are some basic ideas of what is to come.

Drawings
We will continue to have a drawing for a large item each month (Playstation 3, Xbox 360, and more).

We may introduce daily, weekly, and monthly drawings for poker money.

Tournaments
We will introduce poker, blackjack, and slot tournaments with real money prize pools. You will be able to purchase the passwords to these games just like the chips tournaments. The chip buy-in amount will likely be much higher than our previous games to help control the number of players in the games. This will help ensure that each game is extremely valuable in regards to the number of players vs. the prize pool. The frequency of these games are to be determined, but we could potentially have multiple games a day. These games will be held on multiple platforms so we are not stuck on Merge every day. This also directly benefits the site because there will be more interest from new players if they see games with an actual prize pool (instead of the $0 prize pool that they've been seeing for a few months).

Shop
Random items will be added to the shop and you will be able to use your chips to purchase these items.

I have many ideas on my "to do list" and I expect to include more of them in the future.

At the moment, my main focus is on getting the tournaments back up and running and then I will have more time to spend on tweaking the system to make it as valuable and entertaining as possible for everyone involved.

I also have a BIG BIG BIG event that I am working on that has never been done before and EVERYONE is going to love it.

This place has really changed my life...
In many ways.. .I have no words to describe it...

I have made lots of friends..
I have learnd a lot of poker.
I have earned some real money.
I have tried lots of new games.
I have had lots of fun..
I improved my english...
I discovered a new world...


I WILL NEVER LEAVE THIS GREAT PLACE!!!.
MY SECOND HOME!..
MY SENCOND FAMILY!:iagree:

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Originally Posted by navuta

I think U should make ringo a moderator... He posts more than eejit.. and i think is more interessted on NDN than him... (u to are the right person to judge)...
Why would people abuse the system? Are they not happy with their benefits?
True.. about the arguments between people that complained about the rep system.. theses people dont deserve being here. I will Always be on your side NDN...

I know NDN will always be a very nice to come and meet my friends... IVen if this dosent give me nothing in exchange....

This place rocks and always will...

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Eejit101 is the #1 poster on NDN...

I don't think that anyone has a greater interest in NDN than eejit101 does.

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

Eejit101 is the #1 poster on NDN...

I don't think that anyone has a greater interest in NDN than eejit101 does.

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I have.....
:beatdeadhorse5:lol

Thanks NDN for explaining the change better.
I see where you are coming from now and I support your decision 100%.
Our gaming and social interaction is our most important part of NDN and I feel that you have our best interest at heart.
I feel better now.
Sorry if I came across as scary.
I tried to keep the dialog positive and open minded.
I think the debate has gone well and the conclusion quite satisfactory.:bigear:

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Originally Posted by freeringo

Thanks NDN for explaining the change better.
I see where you are coming from now and I support your decision 100%.
Our gaming and social interaction is our most important part of NDN and I feel that you have our best interest at heart.
I feel better now.
Sorry if I came across as scary.
I tried to keep the dialog positive and open minded.
I think the debate has gone well and the conclusion quite satisfactory.:bigear:

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I agree with Ringo- I definitely support this forum no matter what but I did feel blindsided by the changes. Maybe it was my mood that day but it also carried a sense of impending doom with it, like Ringo said. I know that was not your intention! I'm looking forward to what's in store for our chips and our time together as a forum, and I really appreciate you being open and honest with us about the changes, and explaining them more now. You're a great mod!

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Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles

I agree with Ringo- I definitely support this forum no matter what but I did feel blindsided by the changes. Maybe it was my mood that day but it also carried a sense of impending doom with it, like Ringo said. I know that was not your intention! I'm looking forward to what's in store for our chips and our time together as a forum, and I really appreciate you being open and honest with us about the changes, and explaining them more now. You're a great mod!

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the way i look at it. is this has to be done. solutions to curb abuse is working like he said. its gonna hurt for a bit but then u will get use to it like the rep system taking place. it is a shock though. things will work out in the end. they always do. but like i said this will show the true ndners. lol

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Originally Posted by taylovesthebeatles

I agree with Ringo- I definitely support this forum no matter what but I did feel blindsided by the changes. Maybe it was my mood that day but it also carried a sense of impending doom with it, like Ringo said. I know that was not your intention! I'm looking forward to what's in store for our chips and our time together as a forum, and I really appreciate you being open and honest with us about the changes, and explaining them more now. You're a great mod!

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I didn't mean to blindside anyone! I gave a 30-day notice for everyone to do what they wish with their chips (and you can still earn more chips and redeem them during this period).

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

Though I don't have anything set in stone - Here are some basic ideas of what is to come.

Drawings
We will continue to have a drawing for a large item each month (Playstation 3, Xbox 360, and more).

We may introduce daily, weekly, and monthly drawings for poker money.

Tournaments
We will introduce poker, blackjack, and slot tournaments with real money prize pools. You will be able to purchase the passwords to these games just like the chips tournaments. The chip buy-in amount will likely be much higher than our previous games to help control the number of players in the games. This will help ensure that each game is extremely valuable in regards to the number of players vs. the prize pool. The frequency of these games are to be determined, but we could potentially have multiple games a day. These games will be held on multiple platforms so we are not stuck on Merge every day. This also directly benefits the site because there will be more interest from new players if they see games with an actual prize pool (instead of the $0 prize pool that they've been seeing for a few months).

Shop
Random items will be added to the shop and you will be able to use your chips to purchase these items.

I have many ideas on my "to do list" and I expect to include more of them in the future.

At the moment, my main focus is on getting the tournaments back up and running and then I will have more time to spend on tweaking the system to make it as valuable and entertaining as possible for everyone involved.

I also have a BIG BIG BIG event that I am working on that has never been done before and EVERYONE is going to love it.

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:iagree:I am really really interested in these private poker tournaments that you are talking about doing here, and yes i believe it is going to generate alot more interest in players not familiar with NDN.:coolgleamA: The blackjack tournaments i have had some troubles with in the pat because i cant seem to get the multiplayer black jack to load at the rtg casinoes for some reason. I have yet to try a slot tournament buts sounds interesting. I think what you are doing is going to be great for everybody in the long run, and i cant wait to hear whats gonna happen. Im all ears:bigear: