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03-23-2009, 08:13 PM
esmordan

What hand

Rescently i have been playing and twice i have sceene this situation come up in about the past week or so. Would you rather have an over pair to the board on a low flop or a pair with a gutshot to go with it????
The 2 hands i saw were

63 offsuit vs QQ

Flop 6 24

In this hand the guy rivered 2 pair

75 offsuit vs AA

Flop 5 8 9

In this hand the guy rivered trips

So in the past week i have only sceen this situation happen 2 times and both times the pair with a gutshot won the hand even thought the operpair is still ahead.

So what would you rather have?????
03-23-2009, 08:20 PM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

Wow this is simply put, a great question. First of all lets take a look at the odds which is always a good thing to start off with. Ill take a look at the two hands you gave us as an example.
AA versus 75 on a board of 589.
Odds go as follows
AA-68% favorite
75-31% Underdog
Now of course you want to be a head in the hand so you are always going to pick AA or the overpair because of the fact that you are ahead.
But lets take into accountability that there might be some redraw flush outs for the 75. If thats the case it goes more to a 65/35 disavantage. So you still want the aces.
But i always think that is the scariest kind of board for a big over pair because of exactly what we are talking about. We could be up against trips, straight draws, or in this case a pair with a straight draw.
So in closing I would still want the aces, but am not to naive to know that we are not a huge favorite.
03-24-2009, 05:37 AM
kingsnthahole

depends on what type of player youre going up against...
you will get paid off better by a loose player if you hit your hand...a rock wont put any more money in the pot with QQ after another str8 card hits...if im playing against a NIT, i'd want the QQ bc hed prob fold on the flop or turn...i myself actually hit a nice little hand last week with 63 suited..flop comes 245 rainbow, check/check...turn comes Ace of diamonds, bringing 2 diamonds to the board, i bet out half pot, guy reraises me instantly, and i put him on a hand like Ace rag to begin with so i thought he had two pair and didnt want the flush to hit...so i waited and smooth called, river comes K spades, i overbet the pot, he shoves and i take all of his money...and we all lived happily ever after...the end

PS 63 suited/offsuit is easier to fold with a pr and a gutshot to a Tight aggressive player, i feel...
03-24-2009, 08:32 AM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

Kings that made absolutely no sense, " I didnt want the flush to come, so i just smooth called"
Why wouldnt you just push him right then?
Weird.
03-24-2009, 09:01 AM
esmordan

no he said the other guy didn't want the flush to hit thats y he reraised him
03-24-2009, 09:04 AM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

[QUOTE=kingsnthahole;30271]turn comes Ace of diamonds, bringing 2 diamonds to the board, i bet out half pot, guy reraises me instantly, and i put him on a hand like Ace rag to begin with so i thought he had two pair and didnt want the flush to hit...so i waited and smooth calledQUOTE]

I stand by what I said
03-26-2009, 01:59 PM
esmordan

what hand

What hand would you rather have in a race situation such as JJ vs AK suited......the 2 overs or the pocket pair????
03-26-2009, 02:03 PM
GloBug

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmordan

What hand would you rather have in a race situation such as JJ vs AK suited......the 2 overs or the pocket pair????

me personally i lose more with JJ vs having the AK at preflop. so AK is what i would rater have.
03-26-2009, 02:16 PM
kingsnthahole

if i am big stacked, i like to have the PP
if im small stacked i'd rather have the AK
03-26-2009, 02:36 PM
GloBug

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingsnthahole

if i am big stacked, i like to have the PP
if im small stacked i'd rather have the AK

yeah thats another way to look st it. but the way poker hates me i would take AK over JJ in most situations long as if it pre flop or as long as if i am drawing after flop
03-26-2009, 02:39 PM
eejit101

Id have the 55% favourite.

That being the pair.

If you dont choose this option you need murdering by pandas!
03-26-2009, 02:44 PM
GloBug

Quote:

Originally Posted by eejit101

Id have the 55% favourite.

That being the pair.

If you dont choose this option you need murdering by pandas!

i would agree with u but i have bad luck playing jj vs a AK. but percentage wise u should want the JJ.
03-26-2009, 03:20 PM
kingsnthahole

55%-45% isnt that much of a favorite buddy, it can go either way, hence why people shove and call with both hands...i think if you really want to get down to it, read the rest of the people at the table...if you get 6 callers, and one guy shoves, id say ur JJ is probably goodif the rest fold cuz youd have to think that atleast 2 of those people have high cards...aka, they have some of the AK's outs...
03-26-2009, 03:54 PM
eejit101

WTF?

5% is alot.

Means over 1,000 races, youll win more than you lose! Simple math!
03-26-2009, 04:12 PM
bkniefel

I would certainly take JJ, Although like a lot of people are saying.. I seem to catch the worst luck when I'm ahead.
03-26-2009, 04:13 PM
GloBug

Quote:

Originally Posted by eejit101

WTF?

5% is alot.

Means over 1,000 races, youll win more than you lose! Simple math!

well thats over a 1000 races. not trying to race that much. this is for 1 hand only.
03-26-2009, 04:37 PM
eejit101

For one hand only i still take the 5% bonus with open arms!
03-26-2009, 07:07 PM
kingsnthahole

yes and thats cool, but the fact of the matter is 5% out of 100% is NOT ALOT
i would probably take either hand bc i feel they are equally as good, thats why they call it a coin flip...
from my experiences, i would take AK over JJ preflop anyday bc JJ is usually a one dimensional hand, AK is a drawing hand and i really like it, but i know how to not overplay it...i'd have to say i like AK maybe better than QQ even...thats just my preference and it fits my style...

i know your a respected poker play eej and AK may just not fit your style
03-26-2009, 07:22 PM
thenutzaa1

i would rather have the Ak because it seems like every time i have jacks i lose as well. but then again when i have AK all under come. That is my luck. Def. the AK suited.
03-28-2009, 06:37 PM
thenutzaa1

What Hand would you rather have.

Which hand would you rather have:

flop is:

2s 5s 8s

6s7s or As8d

i would go with the 67
03-29-2009, 12:12 AM
kingsnthahole

thats a tough one...on one hand you already have the flush w/ a straight flush draw, and the other you have the nut hi flush draw...i'd probably take the 6s7s only because you already have the flush, BUT i'd know that if another spade fell, theres a good chance one of my opponents has a higher spade that 7...inless f course that sexy spade happens to be of the 5 or 9 kind...then it'd be a money card :D
03-29-2009, 09:49 AM
vickid

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenutzaa1

Which hand would you rather have:

flop is:

2s 5s 8s

6s7s or As8d

i would go with the 67

67 obviously alredy a made hand right

so i dunno any one who would go with the draw right

how many people are u playing against
how many in the hand

like there are alot of varibles right
03-29-2009, 04:21 PM
esmordan

What hand preflop

would u rather have

QJ suited

Or
99

Not neccisarrily vs each other but just in general what hand would u rather see
03-30-2009, 09:33 AM
thenutzaa1

which hand

which hand would you rather have...... AK suited (hearts) or 910 suited (spade) with this flop: heads you and 910 is second to act.

8s 7h As.......

this is a tough one........b/c 910 has a flush draw and straight draw

I would get my chips in the middle with 910
03-30-2009, 09:35 AM
freeringo

Hmmm

I would fold and wait for a position to steal chips
03-30-2009, 09:46 AM
esmordan

haha i would ratehr have niether....its aq race situation and i hate getting my money in bad or in race situations

the 9/10 is only a 56% favorite its a RACE