Death Penalty

[0maxpower0]

I was doing another one of tay's surveys (ty much) and one of the questions was about the death penalty. Of the responses i saw, and my own, there was one completely for, one compeltely against, and one both sides have good arguements (that was me :-p). When i first saw the question i found that i had a lot mroe i wanted to type, so i figured everyone would have a strong opinion on it, we'll see..

Both sides have good arguements. You can argue that no person or persons have the right to decide the fate of another, because man is fallible and emotional. Not only that, but i also personally believe that everyone, including evildoers " are capable of being truly radiant minds, its just that somewhere along the way their pathologys got screwed, something that can be fixed, i believe no matter what. So its hard to end a life knowing that if its working properly it can produce wonderful things. On the other hand If there is someone who is going to do mroe damage to the lives of others for the time that they're alive, do you as a person, or as people, make that choice of not allowing them to live.I do believe every person is capable of enlightenment regardless of their past discretions, but if they're going to do more harm then good (in a very direct way I mean) then you almost owe it to all the people that would suffer needlessly. I guess the old cliche, "do you kill one to save a dozen" rings true, as long as those dozen lives would be affected in a greatly negative way, because of that one life. Even as im typing it, im still on the fence. I want to hear some other thoughts i keep rearguing the point to myself..

[DINGO8MYBABY]

I'm not a fan of it. I don't have enough faith in the legal system to be a fan of it.

[eejit101]

I kinda agree with dingo.

However in my head surely an option would be to either give them the option of doing it themselves.

"I hereby sentence you to live in prison, for a minimum of 55 years, with nothing but a 13 foot long legnth of rope".

I was trying to find a way to use the famous phrase "Let him hang himself", bu i thought it was too obvious.

I dont think i agree with it, even though a few people deserve it, as surely life picking up soap is worse than a quick, painless, injection

[Hydrotrip]

Strange we are talking about the death penalty on here, but I'll hop on the bandwagon. IMO, since the United States has established fundamental ethics surrounding the 'innocent until proven guilty' clause, our nation then values individual rights over the prospect and potential of expansive communal safety. With this in mind, if we are going to continue in the path of exoneration, then the death penalty is not applicable. I'm just trying to be logical, rather than becoming overwhelmed with morality and empathy.

[taylovesthebeatles]

I am unequivocaly opposed to the death penalty in all cases. It costs more, is poorly carried out, and lawyers who take on death penalty cases do a ****ty job representing their clients. Plus innocent people are executed all the time. If you want to watch a really good movie on the subject, rent The Life of David Gale. It has Kevin Spacey and Kate Winslet in it and is very well acted and gripping, in addition to being informative. Unlike others here I also do not support the death penalty when applied to killers or rapists of family members. Death for these criminals, especially in our justice system, is too easy and often what these criminals want, and someone who is a criminal shouldn't be given what they want. They should be forced to live with their crime, as I being the relative of someone hurt am forced to live with it every day as well. Killing someone who is an imminent threat to your family is self defense, but the state killing people is playing God. No human should be in charge of someone living or dying. This is why I also oppose abortion. Many people who oppose the death penalty support a woman's right to an abortion, but I do not. To do so is nothing short of hypocritical. A life is a life, and they are all precious and meaningful to someone.

[Hydrotrip]

Kevin Spacey is the man. Se7en, LA Confidential, The Usual Suspects, and American Beauty, all priceless. I am always looking for a new flick to check into to get my mind of schoolwork and poker. Do you know if it is on demand on Starz, Showtime, HBO, or TMC? Thanks!

[taylovesthebeatles]

Kevin Spacey is the man. Se7en, LA Confidential, The Usual Suspects, and American Beauty, all priceless. I am always looking for a new flick to check into to get my mind of schoolwork and poker. Do you know if it is on demand on Starz, Showtime, HBO, or TMC? Thanks!

I really don't know as it's not a very popular movie for some reason, but it should be available through Netflix for sure. Also another good Kevin Spacey movie to check out is "21", all about blackjack. Both should be on Netflix or Blockbuster for sure.

[Hydrotrip]

I saw '21', I thought it was alright. Definitely not one of my favorite Spacey movies. HOWEVER, I did finally see The Departed last night, which was pretty awesome. I hate Matt Damon though, he is always such a dull character. Good thing they through in Leo and Jack to spice up the movie. And the therapist was on fire.

[knowledge]

kill em all

[navuta]

kill em all

Wow.. thats not nice. :mad:
There are probably a culture of death sentence around there that says "kill those criminal monsters" but like tay said, the real reality is different.
The system dont is not really efficient and it works for the ones who controls it.
Anyway.. Say no to death penalty. Say yes to life. Create a better prison system. Create a better education system, creates a better societie.

[knowledge]

Kill them all then there will be no more......the best solution

[navuta]

Kill them all then there will be no more......the best solution
:mad:
hey.. u insists saying this?
There is something wrong about you I think.,
You cant just think and says things like that and dont think about it.

[freeringo]

Snake Plissken in Escape form LA is the perfect solution.
Let them govern themselves and just toss some food at them every once in a while.
Think how much money we would save.

[knowledge]

I thought and so did you. We just have different thoughts!

[knowledge]

ringo dont understand what you are saying

[navuta]

I thought and so did you. We just have different thoughts!

true.
But I just cant stand in front of someone having toughts like "kill than all" thats it.

[knowledge]

that is kill them all.................not kill than all

[knowledge]

besides what are you posting an advertising spot on your posts for?

[freeringo]

besides what are you posting an advertising spot on your posts for?

I wanted to advertise for my site, but the FDA and the FCC
wouldn't allow it.

[navuta]

besides what are you posting an advertising spot on your posts for?

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But because u whant I will take it away for your well being.
Hope u pass there sometime to see my photos.

[freeringo]

im advertising my photographys because i love and create art.
But because u whant i will take it away for your well being.
Hope u pass there sometime to see my photos.

no don"t do it

[navuta]

no don"t do it

outh... I did...:)
Was nice to get so many visits from nodepositneeded.
And the purpouse was only so you could get to know me better.

[BnLM5]

outh... I did...:)
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And the purpouse was only so you could get to know me better.

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[terbo71]

I have to say I have always agreed with the death penalty, and I think they need to get more serious about serious crimes. Meaning, I don’t believe it should be three strikes you’re out, it should be dealt with according to the seriousness of the crime and the affect of that crime on other lives. This is more about my life than my opinion, but at the same time it may help sway the opinion of others.
Back in 1991 I was married and had my first son (Kristopher), and in 1992 I was divorced. For the next year I was allowed to visit my son every other weekend, as long as I didn’t get too pissed off or argue too much with my ex about the bruises or the burns he had from her boyfriend. I took pictures and reported it but nothing ever happened, so all I could do was give him the best I had when he was with me. At around 5:00 A.M. on April 24, 1993 I was woke up by my mother barging into my bedroom screaming, “Wake up! Wake up! Kris has been beaten! He’s in the hospital!”
With my little brothers and sister being left at home not knowing what was going on, I spent my next six hours being driven across the state to get to the hospital. Not knowing all the details of what had happened, and hoping the whole way there that maybe, after all this time of seeing him suffer, he was finally going to get to be with me where he was safe. And after the longest six hour drive full of uncertainty and hope, we finally arrived at the hospital. I was immediately escorted by a nurse and two uniformed officers to a private room on the second floor. There I was informed of the details and the fact that because my ex waited several hours to take him to the hospital there was nothing they could do. The pressure on his brain was too severe, and because they lost all those hours that they could have been relieving the pressure, they were getting no brain response. They said that all they could do now is allow me some time with him and wait for me to give the word to turn off the machines that were keeping him alive. So for as long as I could, without pressure from the doctors, I sat with my son, held his little hands for the last time, ran my fingers through his hair, and cried.
My son would be 18 years old on July 15th of this year. Instead of celebrating his birthday I get to take his three little brothers to a cemetery to sit on the grass by his headstone.
The man that killed my son is now 37, and he will be 46 when he is released on parole. That to me is not a punishment; it is an undeserved vacation from the pain of daily life.

[freeringo]

I have to say I have always agreed with the death penalty, and I think they need to get more serious about serious crimes. Meaning, I don’t believe it should be three strikes you’re out, it should be dealt with according to the seriousness of the crime and the affect of that crime on other lives. This is more about my life than my opinion, but at the same time it may help sway the opinion of others.
Back in 1991 I was married and had my first son (Kristopher), and in 1992 I was divorced. For the next year I was allowed to visit my son every other weekend, as long as I didn’t get too pissed off or argue too much with my ex about the bruises or the burns he had from her boyfriend. I took pictures and reported it but nothing ever happened, so all I could do was give him the best I had when he was with me. At around 5:00 A.M. on April 24, 1993 I was woke up by my mother barging into my bedroom screaming, “Wake up! Wake up! Kris has been beaten! He’s in the hospital!”
With my little brothers and sister being left at home not knowing what was going on, I spent my next six hours being driven across the state to get to the hospital. Not knowing all the details of what had happened, and hoping the whole way there that maybe, after all this time of seeing him suffer, he was finally going to get to be with me where he was safe. And after the longest six hour drive full of uncertainty and hope, we finally arrived at the hospital. I was immediately escorted by a nurse and two uniformed officers to a private room on the second floor. There I was informed of the details and the fact that because my ex waited several hours to take him to the hospital there was nothing they could do. The pressure on his brain was too severe, and because they lost all those hours that they could have been relieving the pressure, they were getting no brain response. They said that all they could do now is allow me some time with him and wait for me to give the word to turn off the machines that were keeping him alive. So for as long as I could, without pressure from the doctors, I sat with my son, held his little hands for the last time, ran my fingers through his hair, and cried.
My son would be 18 years old on July 15th of this year. Instead of celebrating his birthday I get to take his three little brothers to a cemetery to sit on the grass by his headstone.
The man that killed my son is now 37, and he will be 46 when he is released on parole. That to me is not a punishment; it is an undeserved vacation from the pain of daily life.

GULP SWALLOW OH MAN My sincere condolances

[BnLM5]

Terbo your post was truly heartfelt, and so unfortunate. So very sorry for your heart break. This is exactly why I have to agree with you about the death penalty. It is said "an eye for an eye." I do believe punishment should be handled according to the severity of the crime.
I also agree with you on the Three Strikes Your out law. You saw how quickly it changed to being violent crimes. Because it was totally unsuited for a criminal history of robberies or drugs. I believe that a violent crime offender should be done the same as he has done to another. But this law allows these criminals not only once or twice but 3 "violent" crime convictions to put them away for 25 to life. It makes me sick.

[knowledge]

I too am sorry for your loss. I never want this to happen to anyone, and if it ever does...hence my stand on the death penalty Very PRO-ACTIVE

[BADBEATCHAMP]

there should b a death penalty anywhere, y kill someone, if u want them to "pay" for there crimes let them sit and rot in a jail for th rest of there life, and anyways it cost more to out someone to death than it is to keep them in jail there whole life

[KaciBlakely]

I do believe in the death penalty. I have been taken advantage of in a sexual manner when I was younger and I don't believe people like that should get off scott free where they go to prison but still get 3 meals a day and do not have to worry about having a job to get a roof over your head because the tax dollars of citizens take care of you on that point.

That's my personal opinion though.