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Thread: Help me!!!

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    Default Help me!!!

    Ok, here is the history, before I post the hand. I have played the entire almost 3 hours at the same table. The player involved in the hand had been there the entire time if I remember correctly. I had raised multiple times prior to this hand and had most everything walk. I decided to change up the action, trying to gain more chips. Here is the hand.

    The Fifty-Fifty (122473395), Table 74 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em
    Seat 1: jonabeeno (14,540)
    Seat 2: fjtfro (6,612)
    Seat 3: lagbeast (13,432)
    Seat 4: Blwme00 (3,250)
    Seat 5: Sykedupp (2,703)
    Seat 6: ffcowboy76 (4,169)
    Seat 7: INSTANT KARMA (7,350)
    Seat 8: Mr Impressive (17,02
    Seat 9: the_tweak (5,290)
    jonabeeno antes 25
    fjtfro antes 25
    lagbeast antes 25
    Blwme00 antes 25
    Sykedupp antes 25
    ffcowboy76 antes 25
    INSTANT KARMA antes 25
    Mr Impressive antes 25
    the_tweak antes 25
    lagbeast posts the small blind of 150
    Blwme00 posts the big blind of 300
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ffcowboy76 [Kh Kd]
    Sykedupp has 15 seconds left to act
    Sykedupp folds
    ffcowboy76 calls 300
    INSTANT KARMA raises to 1,575
    Mr Impressive folds
    the_tweak folds
    jonabeeno has 15 seconds left to act
    jonabeeno calls 1,575
    fjtfro folds
    lagbeast folds
    Blwme00 has 15 seconds left to act
    Blwme00 folds
    ffcowboy76 raises to 4,144, and is all in
    INSTANT KARMA raises to 7,325, and is all in
    jonabeeno folds
    INSTANT KARMA shows [As Qh]
    ffcowboy76 shows [Kh Kd]
    Uncalled bet of 3,181 returned to INSTANT KARMA
    *** FLOP *** [Ah Qd Td]
    *** TURN *** [Ah Qd Td] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [Ah Qd Td Tc] [Ad]
    INSTANT KARMA shows a full house, Aces full of Queens
    ffcowboy76 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
    INSTANT KARMA wins the pot (10,53 with a full house, Aces full of Queens

    Should I have just made my standard raise and had it walk around and picked up the blinds and antes or did I make a good play gone bad by FTP. We were getting closer to the cash and I needed to make a move.

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    depending on how close you are to cashing, when you have a hand like this, it is basically a matter of are you willing to risk not cashing and you tournament life so close to getting a pay off?

    The hand is great, and yes i think you should have played it under normal circumstances, but the big blind and small blind was relatively small compared to your stack. If you were say 10 spots from cashing, limp in, see what happens, if the guy still raises you all in fold, all he needs is a Ace to beat ya, or draw a suck out even. Fold it, move on, and cash that baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffcowboy76 View Post
    Ok, here is the history, before I post the hand. I have played the entire almost 3 hours at the same table. The player involved in the hand had been there the entire time if I remember correctly. I had raised multiple times prior to this hand and had most everything walk. I decided to change up the action, trying to gain more chips. Here is the hand.

    The Fifty-Fifty (122473395), Table 74 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em
    Seat 1: jonabeeno (14,540)
    Seat 2: fjtfro (6,612)
    Seat 3: lagbeast (13,432)
    Seat 4: Blwme00 (3,250)
    Seat 5: Sykedupp (2,703)
    Seat 6: ffcowboy76 (4,169)
    Seat 7: INSTANT KARMA (7,350)
    Seat 8: Mr Impressive (17,02
    Seat 9: the_tweak (5,290)
    jonabeeno antes 25
    fjtfro antes 25
    lagbeast antes 25
    Blwme00 antes 25
    Sykedupp antes 25
    ffcowboy76 antes 25
    INSTANT KARMA antes 25
    Mr Impressive antes 25
    the_tweak antes 25
    lagbeast posts the small blind of 150
    Blwme00 posts the big blind of 300
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ffcowboy76 [Kh Kd]
    Sykedupp has 15 seconds left to act
    Sykedupp folds
    ffcowboy76 calls 300
    INSTANT KARMA raises to 1,575
    Mr Impressive folds
    the_tweak folds
    jonabeeno has 15 seconds left to act
    jonabeeno calls 1,575
    fjtfro folds
    lagbeast folds
    Blwme00 has 15 seconds left to act
    Blwme00 folds
    ffcowboy76 raises to 4,144, and is all in
    INSTANT KARMA raises to 7,325, and is all in
    jonabeeno folds
    INSTANT KARMA shows [As Qh]
    ffcowboy76 shows [Kh Kd]
    Uncalled bet of 3,181 returned to INSTANT KARMA
    *** FLOP *** [Ah Qd Td]
    *** TURN *** [Ah Qd Td] [Tc]
    *** RIVER *** [Ah Qd Td Tc] [Ad]
    INSTANT KARMA shows a full house, Aces full of Queens
    ffcowboy76 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
    INSTANT KARMA wins the pot (10,53 with a full house, Aces full of Queens

    Should I have just made my standard raise and had it walk around and picked up the blinds and antes or did I make a good play gone bad by FTP. We were getting closer to the cash and I needed to make a move.

    well i belive u made the right play. ftp just screwed u. i believe there was no way that guy was going any where preflop no matter what u raised. we see it all the time. best hand always loses.

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    given the fact that it's online poker, hes not folding there even if you shove off the bat, sorry but you just lost a 70-30 race...it happens, your only hope there is to have atleast one other person fold an ace, meaning theres only 2 left in then deck, it's obvious that no-one else did, and when you take a hand to showdown with the villain having the only ace, about 70% of the time an Ace hits on one of the 5 cards...sick fact right?(keep in mind this doesn't always mean said villain will win the hand depending on the rest of the cards that fall)

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    The question I'm looking to get answered is should I have raised the typical 4x the bb or is the play I made a profitable one in the long run. I know that I should of won based on the odds but I also know the the low end of the odds has to get there once in a while. I'm curious if people think that particular play is first a good play to make. Second part is if that play will be profitable in the long run or am I inviting multiple calls by limp reraising preflop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffcowboy76 View Post
    The question I'm looking to get answered is should I have raised the typical 4x the bb or is the play I made a profitable one in the long run. I know that I should of won based on the odds but I also know the the low end of the odds has to get there once in a while. I'm curious if people think that particular play is first a good play to make. Second part is if that play will be profitable in the long run or am I inviting multiple calls by limp reraising preflop.
    I am gonna step in your shoes at this moment in your tournament, and give you some insight into my thinking.In my style of near cashing play, the limp was perfect. You were in a early position i believe, so with my style(very conservative near cashes) I dont think the 4x raise would of been wise. People out there will go nuts over AQ,AJ, even A10, all hands that could of fairly easily screwed ya. If the fellow still would of pushed all in i will fold(for the sake of cashing). Now if he had of reraised say 4x or 6x the big blind, i would of called, and seen the flop, which at that point would of been a easy fold, considering the AQ came.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffcowboy76 View Post
    The question I'm looking to get answered is should I have raised the typical 4x the bb or is the play I made a profitable one in the long run. I know that I should of won based on the odds but I also know the the low end of the odds has to get there once in a while. I'm curious if people think that particular play is first a good play to make. Second part is if that play will be profitable in the long run or am I inviting multiple calls by limp reraising preflop.
    I noticed that there were also 2 callers of 1,700somethin. At this point i would of just flat called to see a Ace did in fact come, if it didnt im pushing. On your second part question yes, in your situation you did great limping, but that is the conservative view. If your agressive then play your game, but the chance to cash at this point would of called for a more conservavtive approach, but thats just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PANAMHIEST View Post
    I noticed that there were also 2 callers of 1,700somethin. At this point i would of just flat called to see a Ace did in fact come, if it didnt im pushing. On your second part question yes, in your situation you did great limping, but that is the conservative view. If your agressive then play your game, but the chance to cash at this point would of called for a more conservavtive approach, but thats just me.
    1,500somthin i mean. But even then still a flat call.

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    min raise or 2.5 bet in early pos like that

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    Agreed with Panam...I call the raises to see the flop and push if no ace.

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    As played is perfect. You extraced a bigger pot than you would have otherwise, and got it in as a huge favourite, with your stack and as played, this is perfect

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