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  1. #1
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    Default ok i know im gonna regret this..critique my play please

    on the turn this guy has committed 900 chips ..i put out a 450 preflop...why is he there?..after flop i put a 400 bet? ..why is he there?ok so on the turn he had a flush draw and a str8t draw but dam it .....I wouldnt have been there! ok now bash away and tell me what i did wrong..I mean all in after flop ..I lose everyone out of pot ....do I want that? ok just went all in with QQ a guy with a 8 comes with me and he gets an ace on turn after an extremely long pause (can there be a random generator override?) ok now I'm just going paranoid ..

    PokerStars Game #34038144640: Tournament #203748458, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/10/14 17:15:52 ET
    Table '203748458 33' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: Stoïcijns (2375 in chips)
    Seat 2: cartman94580 (425 in chips)
    Seat 3: Ol Barb (2145 in chips)
    Seat 4: Kruper ZeN (755 in chips)
    Seat 5: Wolfseinder (2480 in chips)
    Seat 6: tosaca (1110 in chips)
    Seat 7: LsueC (1775 in chips)
    Seat 8: privatepond (3395 in chips)
    Seat 9: cassiusml (1660 in chips)
    tosaca: posts small blind 25
    LsueC: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to LsueC [Ad Qd]
    privatepond: folds
    cassiusml: folds
    Stoïcijns: calls 50
    cartman94580: folds
    Ol Barb: calls 50
    Kruper ZeN: folds
    Wolfseinder: folds
    tosaca: folds
    LsueC: raises 400 to 450
    Stoïcijns: folds
    Ol Barb: calls 400
    *** FLOP *** [As 2c Ac]
    LsueC: bets 400
    Ol Barb: calls 400
    *** TURN *** [As 2c Ac] [4s]
    LsueC: bets 350
    Ol Barb: calls 350
    *** RIVER *** [As 2c Ac 4s] [3d]
    LsueC: bets 400
    Ol Barb: raises 400 to 800
    LsueC: calls 175 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (225) returned to Ol Barb
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Ol Barb: shows [5s Ts] (a straight, Ace to Five)
    LsueC: shows [Ad Qd] (three of a kind, Aces)
    Ol Barb collected 3625 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3625 | Rake 0
    Board [As 2c Ac 4s 3d]
    Seat 1: Stoïcijns folded before Flop
    Seat 2: cartman94580 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Ol Barb showed [5s Ts] and won (3625) with a straight, Ace to Five
    Seat 4: Kruper ZeN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Wolfseinder (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: tosaca (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: LsueC (big blind) showed [Ad Qd] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
    Seat 8: privatepond folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: cassiusml folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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    I would have just shoved it on the turn, maybe even the flop. I don't know how you'd possibly put him on a straight there, so to keep him off his hand I think you just gotta put it in with a strong hand like that. But do it by the turn for sure.

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    I dont really have anything to critique on this hand, other than the fact I would have just shoved it preflop every time win or lose. i critique the guy that beat you with such a horrible hand, or that he would continue to draw it out even after the flop.

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    Tournament #203748458, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em

    That is your first problem right there. You can't expect people to always make the correct play at that level. Now on with the look in.

    Preflop I don't like your raise at all. You went 9x the bb with is a bit big for AQ off. I would think raising to around 3 to 5x the bb would be better. I will explain why later. Now, your opponent calls. What do you think he puts you on? Did you consider that. He probably has you on something other than AA or KK, more like 6's or 5's. He calls looking for the over cards or the flush. The total in the pot is 1000 chips. You bet out on the flop, which is a good play, but your bet wasn't big enough. You gave him 3.5 to 1 to call on the flop. On the turn, when he picks up a huge number of outs you bet 350 into a pot of 1800. He was calling 350 chips into a pot of 2150. He was getting 6 plus to 1 to call on the turn. With flush draw and straight draw outs, plus the possibility of hitting his over card and thinking he was good you should get 15 outs. That is 30% to hit and he is committing like 12% to the pot. I call that every time.

    Now, let's say you went to 4x instead of 9x the bb. The pot on the flop will be 500 chips and your bet of 400 looks alot more serious. I personally think your whole problem began preflop when you raised too much. You bet on the flop made your hand look like something it wasn't and cost you the hand.

    Just my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffcowboy76 View Post
    Tournament #203748458, $0.10+$0.00 USD Hold'em

    That is your first problem right there. You can't expect people to always make the correct play at that level. Now on with the look in.

    Preflop I don't like your raise at all. You went 9x the bb with is a bit big for AQ off. I would think raising to around 3 to 5x the bb would be better. I will explain why later. Now, your opponent calls. What do you think he puts you on? Did you consider that. He probably has you on something other than AA or KK, more like 6's or 5's. He calls looking for the over cards or the flush. The total in the pot is 1000 chips. You bet out on the flop, which is a good play, but your bet wasn't big enough. You gave him 3.5 to 1 to call on the flop. On the turn, when he picks up a huge number of outs you bet 350 into a pot of 1800. He was calling 350 chips into a pot of 2150. He was getting 6 plus to 1 to call on the turn. With flush draw and straight draw outs, plus the possibility of hitting his over card and thinking he was good you should get 15 outs. That is 30% to hit and he is committing like 12% to the pot. I call that every time.

    Now, let's say you went to 4x instead of 9x the bb. The pot on the flop will be 500 chips and your bet of 400 looks alot more serious. I personally think your whole problem began preflop when you raised too much. You bet on the flop made your hand look like something it wasn't and cost you the hand.

    Just my thoughts.
    it was AQ suited not off ...does that change your thoughts on the preflop ? why i bet what i did....thought i needed to make it huge....when the flop came i really think i needed to all in or pot raise ...but i think this guy was stickin with me all the way .....he had a 10 5 suited? would you have play for 9x raised preflop with that hand? but thanks for your thoughts...i agree once the turn came ..im in all the way with his hand but before that "why is he even there?" .....i mean the flop gave him a hand where he needed to runner runner either for a flush or a str8t ...so u think he called because the bets weren't big enuf for the pot that was out there...so he had to stay...yeah i like my preflop bet but i really think i need to go strong on the flop when it hit.

    thanks all!

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    Raise alot less preflop, 250 works.

    Check/call the flop

    Bet/raise the river.

    check/call the river.

    Ill go more in depth later as im at work

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    firstly you bet 8x the big blind....WHY? with a hand like AQ suited to one player, your either gonna lose a big pot or win a small one. make it like 200-250 to go and you may get another caller...and an even bigger pot, one in which you should SHOVE ON THE TURN...however, this donkey called your flop bet (which was less than half the pot) with nothing. called your turn bet with a gutshot and flush draw(with a pair on the board-not a smart play) and runners the gutshot on the river. The donk was gonna call your allin on the turn, fyi so theres no getting away from this. Which brings me to my next point. DONT VALUE BET THE FLOP...you price people like this in who want to see another card cheaply before making their decision to shove or fold. Take a decent pot down on the flop here and you add over 800 chips back to your stack, at 25/50 blinds thats a nice pot.

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    I cehck the flop every time. I mean, yeah the bet on the flop might look weak and then hopefully get raised, but im thinking level 4 here.

    In a $0.10 game, just shove preflop

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    I found a dime I could give you to try again.

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    I found a dime i can give you in return for a hug

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    yea... bash that donk :-p :-p

    -0max

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    Suited or non suited doesn't matter. AQ isn't that strong of a hand. Did you know that you are behind 22 preflop? I think most everyone agree's that your raise preflop was way to big for both the strength and number of players in the hand. Like I said before, you need to consider what they might have and bet accordingly. If you price an opponent in, they will call everytime chasing any draw. This is why being able to assign ranges to your opponents is so important.

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    no comment. she doesnt like mine. lmao.

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    ok sue everyone is telling you to bet pre flop 3-5 times the Big blind, which is the correct play.

    But i liked your raise, b/c it is a ten cent tourney and you have to play Big or go home in those .10 mtt. Now where you made your mistake was you needed to shove to follow up on your 9x BB raise. And if he folds you win 550 which is a nice pot for 25/50 blinds.

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