bad bluff or good call???

[esmordan]

so is this a brillian call and i should give this guy credit ir just a fish not wanting to fold his q's

i feel that 9 of 10 ppl i coulda pushed off this hand
let me know what u think



Full Tilt Poker Game #14907211969: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (109243424), Table 25 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:10:33 ET - 2009/09/24
Seat 1: aleksey25 (1,670)
Seat 2: wambam16 (4,785)
Seat 3: H22_PRELUDE (1,015)
Seat 4: nickyork1 (765)
Seat 5: PrideFightingFC (6,225)
Seat 6: chris0212 (1,500)
Seat 7: esmordan (3,450)
Seat 8: MrFnlTbl (1,315)
Seat 9: aliebu (4,027)
MrFnlTbl posts the small blind of 30
aliebu posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to esmordan [7d Tc]
aleksey25 folds
wambam16 folds
H22_PRELUDE folds
nickyork1 folds
PrideFightingFC folds
chris0212 raises to 180
esmordan calls 180
MrFnlTbl folds
aliebu calls 120
*** FLOP *** [5d 4d As]
aliebu checks
chris0212 checks
esmordan bets 220
aliebu folds
chris0212 calls 220
*** TURN *** [5d 4d As] [Ks]
chris0212 checks
esmordan checks
*** RIVER *** [5d 4d As Ks] [5s]
chris0212 checks
esmordan bets 450
chris0212 calls 450
*** SHOW DOWN ***
esmordan shows [7d Tc] a pair of Fives
chris0212 shows [Qd Qs] two pair, Queens and Fives
chris0212 wins the pot (1,910) with two pair, Queens and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,910 | Rake 0
Board: [5d 4d As Ks 5s]
Seat 1: aleksey25 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: wambam16 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: H22_PRELUDE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: nickyork1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: PrideFightingFC didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: chris0212 showed [Qd Qs] and won (1,910) with two pair, Queens and Fives
Seat 7: esmordan (button) showed [7d Tc] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 8: MrFnlTbl (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: aliebu (big blind) folded on the Flop

[thenutzaa1]

i think a re raise preflop would of made this guy think twice for calling on the flop turn and river. i think he should of folded but i guess he didnt care what you had!!!

[eejit101]

Hmm.

lemme put myself with QQ here...

Id raise the flop to start, but you wouldnt bet out with an Ace if you hit it, id imagine a check/raise to the origional raiser...

So lets say i call.

check the scarier turn.

River you bet out for a decent amount. Possible steal.

I would imagine you have either KK/KQ or complete crap.

Reading it this way, im undecided which way i would look at it, i might call, depends on any reads.

However if i can decide, and i read well, then ill assume the villain here cant read as well and just loves his QQ.

[thejuanupsman]

It depends. How often do you push? If I'm playing with someone who has been pushing all the time, which happens a lot on ft, then I call here. If you seem fairly tight, haven't been pushing a lot, I'll fold. I have no problem letting go of any pair, but at some tables there is someone pushing every hand and there I'd call.

[esmordan]

yeah i hadn't been pushing any action it was still pretty early and i hadn't even shown a hand down yet....so thats y i felt i could make this play....esp since i put him on a hand like that i actuallly had him on 1010 or JJ but its the same thing essentiually 2 overs and a pair on board

[kingsnthahole]

well i would have been out by the turn with QQ however you made a big mistake in not betting the turn. You bet the turn here and he folds 100% of the time with QQ(unless complete donkamania applies)...i like the call on the flop and leading the action when he checks and calls the flop, next time make a 3/4 to pot size bet when that king hits...If hes got a big Ace he'll check raise to see if you have AK or not. If I have QQ here and you bet flop, check the turn, and then bet the river, you either have a weak Ace or you can't beat QQ.

[ffcowboy76]

Seeing as he raised preflop and check called the whole way down I'm leaning toward someone who just can't throw away QQ. In my opinion a bet on the turn just costs you more chips. I don't see him throwing away QQ because he should of on the flop when you bluffed the A.

This could be a shark in sheeps clothing, but I would expect a river raise if he was that good. If I'm in that hand and I have you on nothing, then I raise on the river and try to not showdown my hand. I like to keep as much information to myself.

[steveo2003]

i would say he was a fish. you called his preflop raise and he had queens. when I seen the ace or king hitting I would of folded your bet and saved my chips for another hand.