Hand from Cake $17.5k

[eejit101]

Background - The shover was nuts.

She limped AA and slow played it and lost, then decided to go mad on tilt.

Here is her last showdown...

***SHOW DOWN***
sach***2: shows [7d Qc] (Pair of Kings )
Slow***6: shows [Jd Jc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Jacks )
Slow***6: wins 1,035 with Two Pairs, Kings and Jacks

Notice the (Pair of kings) - She was shoving crap.

Then we get this...

Hand#1997601B75000154 - DAILY $17.5K GUARANTEED!! T6298485 -- Table 13 -- $0/$15/$30 NL Hold'em -- 2009/09/24 - 00:40:04
Seat 1: Jang***1 ($4,955 in chips)
Seat 2: sach***2 ($910 in chips)
Seat 3: PeifaPenguin ($4,910 in chips)
Seat 4: gank***4 ($4,595 in chips)
Seat 5: DONT***5 ($6,440 in chips)
Seat 6: Slow***6 ($5,360 in chips)
Seat 7: TEeW***7 ($6,720 in chips)
Seat 8: (ISH***8 ($6,455 in chips)
Seat 9: ImTh***9 ($4,955 in chips)
Seat 10: slow***10 ($4,850 in chips) DEALER
sach***2: posts small blind 15
PeifaPenguin: posts big blind 30
Dealt to PeifaPenguin [Kh,Qh]
gank***4: folds
DONT***5: folds
Slow***6: calls 30
TEeW***7: folds
(ISH***8: folds
ImTh***9: folds
slow***10: folds
Jang***1: calls 30
sach***2: is all in 895.0000
PeifaPenguin: calls 880
Slow***6: folds
Jang***1: folds
sach***2: shows [6d Kc]
PeifaPenguin: shows [Kh Qh]
*** FLOP *** [3c,6h,5s]
*** TURN *** [4s]
*** RIVER *** [3h]
***SHOW DOWN***
sach***2: wins 1,880 with Two Pairs, Sixes and Threes




So, upon the view i had on the hand, this person was shoving preflop with anything, she showed J3 after an all in preflop a few hands before. I figured that im 72% fromt he pot, getting even money. Whch is +EV.

Therefore, an insta call.

I called.

I lost.


Anyone disagree? Anyone hate this? thoughts plz

[GloBug]

well i think it was a good play as no one else called and your stack wouldnt take a big hit. you gotta love low stack poker.

[targetguy1]

10 out of 10 times i make that call.. btw i have more chips then you

[targetguy1]

also i hate the fact that you were the huge huge huge favorite preflop and lost.

[GloBug]

well good luck to both of you in the tourney keep is updated.

[nodepositneeded]

The was one of the worst - I lie - It was the worst play I have seen you make eejit101.

There is ZERO reason for you to call off 1,000 chips in the first level of a tournament with blinds at 15/30.

It's irrelevant what you thought your opponent might have had.

KQ is not a strong hand and it is not a hand you can justify donking off 1,000 chips with in that stage of the game.

[nodepositneeded]

For those who think the play was a good one - I'm hoping you forgot to read about the actual situation and didn't just compliment the play because KQ was ahead of K6.

[eejit101]

Thats why i posted the background of her erraticisms.

And if everyone agreed with you, which i partly hoped for, id know it sucked.

But the purpose of my read and the call was to be in this kinda sitation, i hoped for KQ vs KJ, and got better.

The beat isnt the point.

I knew i was good. I KNEW it.

[nodepositneeded]

You can't justify this call at that stage of the game. I'm not sure why you can't see that.

[targetguy1]

[eejit101]

Ok, new way of looking at it.

Say for example the villain here was shoving crap with 200 chips at 2/4 blinds...

Now look at it

Seat 2: sach***2 ($220 in chips)
Seat 3: PeifaPenguin ($1,600 in chips)
sach***2: posts small blind 3
PeifaPenguin: posts big blind 6
Dealt to PeifaPenguin [Kh,Qh]
gank***4: folds
DONT***5: folds
Slow***6: calls 6
TEeW***7: folds
(ISH***8: folds
ImTh***9: folds
slow***10: folds
Jang***1: calls 6
sach***2: is all in 220
PeifaPenguin: calls 220
Slow***6: folds
Jang***1: folds
sach***2: shows [6d Kc]
PeifaPenguin: shows [Kh Qh]
*** FLOP *** [3c,6h,5s]
*** TURN *** [4s]
*** RIVER *** [3h]
***SHOW DOWN***

[nodepositneeded]

I'm looking at this in the exact situation it occurred. In that situation, it was 100% wrong.

[targetguy1]

well here is my stupid play from that game. didnt put him on the A4 . at worst though he was drawing for the flush or had a king. damn my luck



Hand#1998601B75000609 - Tournament Table 12 T6298485 -- Table 12 -- $0/$100/$200 NL Hold'em -- 2009/09/23 - 20:49:18
Seat 1: cumrailme ($8,728 in chips)
Seat 2: rise***2 ($9,038 in chips)
Seat 3: xImS***3 ($8,417 in chips)
Seat 4: mike***4 ($2,138 in chips)
Seat 5: Clai***5 ($8,102 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: TheQ***7 ($17,786 in chips)
Seat 8: Buch***8 ($5,280 in chips)
Seat 9: Mr.B***9 ($4,162 in chips)
Seat 10: chic***10 ($1,354 in chips)
TheQ***7: posts small blind 100
Buch***8: posts big blind 200
Dealt to cumrailme [Ac,Ad]
Mr.B***9: folds
chic***10: folds
cumrailme: raises to 600
rise***2: folds
xImS***3: folds
mike***4: folds
Clai***5: folds
TheQ***7: calls 500
Buch***8: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d,Kd,4h]
TheQ***7: checks
cumrailme: bets 850
TheQ***7: calls 850
*** TURN *** [3c]
TheQ***7: bets 1,550
cumrailme: is all in 7278.0000
TheQ***7: calls 5,728
cumrailme: shows [Ac Ad]
TheQ***7: shows [4s Ah]
*** RIVER *** [8h]
***SHOW DOWN***
TheQ***7: wins 17,656 with Three of a Kind, Fours
cumrailme finished 101 out of 189 players.

[thenutzaa1]

ok eejit is a 70% favorite to win this hand. so 7 out of 10 times he wins 910 to bring his chip stack to 5820. and 3 out of 10 times he is left with 4000. i take that all day!!!!! i do not see why this is a extremely bad play here.

so eejit loses this hand....the donkey now has 1820 and lets say the donkey doubles that to 3640. now eejit has a read and can potentially take out this donk that he kept alive but now its wroth more chips now.....


i make that move all day

[eejit101]

Blinds when me and target busted - 150/300.

Was down to 1300 chips.

shoves A9 with a limp, limper has QQ, I hit straight. Lucky me.

Make a steal with blinds.

3 limps, i queeze AT, someone has QQ again.

Question -

In 104 hands. I got dealt the following. (Ive checked)

AKd one (preflop raise and win)
A10 twice (one fold, one bust)
A9 once (doubled vs QQ)
77 once (preflop steal)
22 once
KQh once (above post)



That KQ hand was the one key hand i got it in as a favourite.

Not a big pot, under 20% of my chips.


Id love more opinions.

Anyone agree with NDN here? Must be a few people, i can see the logic and thoughts, but we need to remember i read this hand. And was right.

Ive made alot worse reads and been right and its come off awesome.

The poit i do concede is that its 15/30, and its early.

But, its early, its less than 20% of my chips, i read the hand, and if i lose im down to over 4k still. Plus i take out someone who is just annoying.

[eejit101]

ok eejit is a 70% favorite to win this hand. so 7 out of 10 times he wins 910 to bring his chip stack to 5820. and 3 out of 10 times he is left with 4000. i take that all day!!!!! i do not see why this is a extremely bad play here.

so eejit loses this hand....the donkey now has 1820 and lets say the donkey doubles that to 3640. now eejit has a read and can potentially take out this donk that he kept alive but now its wroth more chips now.....


i make that move all day

I had a read to begin with, but thats being pedantic.

This is pretty much my entire thoughts.

If for some reason im only 70% to win, likely, but it was more, then the worst case is ive droped 19% of starting stack, and i have more reads on one person in 4 minutes than ever in my life.

[GloBug]

teacher teacher i have to go potty. can i have the hall pass.

[PANAMHIEST]

I think what NDN is saying is, why make that call when you have a great stack going with what pretty much amounts to King high? I can understand both arguments, and I would certainly make that call with QK suited, but I dont think I would of took the risk QK off, even if i thought she had 2-4 off. It is really a question of it if your in the right situation to make this type of risk. It didnt hurt ya too bad though, and certainly could of helped ya.

[ffcowboy76]

I think both the argument for a call and the one for a fold are both correct. The whole argument boils down to what image you want to maintain at the table. Looking solely at stacks and reads, the call was a good one. If you are looking a bit deeper is it really needed to call to defend the 90 some chips she might pickup in the steal. You are only calling with K high and she could have A2 and be ahead. With her wild style she could have any 2 cards.

[eejit101]

She cant have any 2 cards.

From the 2 big hands she played, she was playing them slowly. Small raises and limp.

She was shoving means i was ahead. 100% in my head. Id have bet my life on it.

Joe - I had KQ suited.