Limping in with Pocket AA

[spiderman637]

Personally I feel that limping in with AA is a very risky proposition.if the board has any pair then you wont know whether one of the weaker hands has his set.
Hence its always better to raise Big with pocket rockets so that even if one person calls you will get some value out of it.

If you play small ball poker two things might happen....

One is that even if you win u wont get much out of the hand as you slow played.

Secondly one of the opponents might have two pairs and beat you on the river.

Very rarely will you be able to trap someone slow playing aces. I have got caught many times that way. I wonder how others feel about it. Please let me know your 2cents about it...

[eejit101]

Trapping with AA is a skill..

Its all about beig able to fold them, and being able to bet perfect amounts to trap and get raised with.

[ferrengi]

I think it is fine to limp with them as long as you limp other hands as well.
You don't want to limp only with AA, KK and raise with everything else or limp with your junk hands and AA but raise with everything else.
If you play that way, people can put you on a fairly accurate range of hands and it makes it much easier on your opponents.
I feel the same way about raising less with you strong hands and more with your weaker ones (preflop). You can vary your raise sizes if you want but it shouldn't be based only on the strength of your hand.

eejit also makes a good point. People see AA and feel that they are supposed to win with them so they'll go broke with a hand that should've been folded on the flop.
I had aces cracked twice yesterday. However, one hand was all-in pre and in the other, there was only a pot sized bet remaining post flop.
But, if the stacks are deeper, you have to be skilled enough to recognize when you are beaten and not go broke. I think most of the online players are not disciplined enough to lay it down so they would be better off trying to get more money in preflop.

[GaTechMom]

Good point about being able to lay them down. I have problems with that, they just look so nice.

[stevenmick12]

i know it sounds risky but when i get AA i usually raise alot or i go all in..because there is nothing worse than getting beat with AA against some donkey hand like 23 or something but that is just me..i hope my advice will help someone..thanks

[scole777]

I think I've lost more money raising with AA than limping in with AA. Sometimes I might be in good position, have a couple callers in already, so I throw out a raise of 4 - 8 times the BB. If one of the blinds calls, that increases the chances someone else calls (hey, big pot, right?!). You get a favorable flop, so you raise again. One of those people had stayed in with suited 7,8 or something and now has 2 pair, a straight draw, flush draw, something, they hang in and take you down... As someone mentioned, being able to lay them down is huge either way...

So I find I just play the big hands differently depending on position, the table, tournament/cash game, etc... Besides, who wants to be predictable anyway!!!

[TerpZone]

I busted AA last night with some crap hand like 8 5 that I called from the BB. That's what he gets for limping.

[navuta]

Personally I feel that limping in with AA is a very risky proposition.if the board has any pair then you wont know whether one of the weaker hands has his set.
Hence its always better to raise Big with pocket rockets so that even if one person calls you will get some value out of it.

If you play small ball poker two things might happen....

One is that even if you win u wont get much out of the hand as you slow played.

Secondly one of the opponents might have two pairs and beat you on the river.

Very rarely will you be able to trap someone slow playing aces. I have got caught many times that way. I wonder how others feel about it. Please let me know your 2cents about it...

U are right, normal I dont limp with AA, unless no one called and I think no one will call with a raise.
Thats happend just now.. Buttom dealr possition with KK, so I raised 1X BB... THE WHOLE TABLE FOLDED... If I limped would be better in this situation!

[navuta]

Just limped with AA and lost against an 44...

[Raviamazing2sik]

I think its ok to limp with aces but remmeber one is limping to induce a raise !!!!!!. Many players forget this. Also it depends on who has the button if u notice that a player raises his button all the time and he is on the button when u have aces LIMP!!!!

[ferrengi]

I'll just sum up my thoughts on this situation.
If a bad beat happens to you, I don't think you should really care exactly how the bad beat occurs. Who cares if your AA was beaten by 7-2o or your AK lost to AQ.
As long as you were ahead when most of the money went in, you played the hand as best as you could and go unlucky.
Psychologically, I guess it is more painful to lose with AA since you got excited when you were dealt the hand fully expected to win it. But, you won't win a big pot with the hand unless you get into a confrontation with someone who also things they have a good hand.

So, even though your preflop chances are 4.5 to 1, you won't win a big pot with AA nearly that often.

Much the same logic applies if you got a favorable flop, got all-in and then got outdrawn but someone who was chasing a flush draw or straight draw. You played the hand properly and villain may or may not have been getting the right odds to draw. There is nothing you could have done about it and no reason to change the way you play the hand in the future.

If you limp your AA, and you end up in a limped pot with 5+ people in the hand, you just need to understand that you'll lose the hand more often than if you would've raised and narrowed the field somewhat.
As long as you understand the risks and you limp with other hands besides your AA, I think it is fine.

Personally, I rarely ever limp when I'm the first one in the pot. So people don't know whether my raise is with trash or a premium hand. Earlier in the tournament, I'll limp behind other limpers to try and see a cheap flop. With the deep stacks, I'm looking to stack someone rather than win a small pot.
Later on in the tourney and especially when there are antes, the value of winning a pot uncontested or narrowing the field goes up, so I will raise a lot more.

[ferrengi]

I think its ok to limp with aces but remmeber one is limping to induce a raise !!!!!!. Many players forget this. Also it depends on who has the button if u notice that a player raises his button all the time and he is on the button when u have aces LIMP!!!!

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[GaTechMom]

I didn't limp last night with my AA and got 2 callers. The one stayed when I pushed after the flop. He had QJ and had hit a J on the flop and of course hit the Q on the river. So much for that game and I did yell alot at the computer. Sure wish I had donk luck.

[0maxpower0]

Trapping with AA is a skill..

Its all about beig able to fold them, and being able to bet perfect amounts to trap and get raised with.

Exactly! The time you do limp in with aces is few and far between, but if you are ever going to do it, it just has to be done right. Honestly, I dont think that limping in with anything preflop is a good idea, if i am ever the first to enter the pot, i always like to be raising. Other than that, like Eej said, its an art. you gotta take into consideration all the different variables of the hand; pot size, players, player type, postition, everything. The difference between winning a huge pot or losing it, can be boiled down to one bet, one check , just one little move can be the difference bewtween winning a few hundred, or winning a pot for a few thousand chips. The risk is equal to the reward and with aces, its never in the middle, you're either losing or winning big, or raising preflop and not seeing a board. IF you make a crazy play with aces; id say you better have a great read on someone, or you better be in a position where u can lose a lot of chips and still be afloat. Overall though, i dont ever suggest it unless u can afford it :-p

-0max

[dms88]

i have limped with AA a few times and each time it taught me a lesson lol. one time i limped and someone flopped two pair with 84 off. then again even when i dont limp with them and raise or even push all in with them they still dont hold up for me so it doesnt matter in my opinion

[TerpZone]

It doesn't matter how you play them when crap like this happens.

Full Tilt Poker Game #14488360720: Table Circuit - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:35:36 ET - 2009/09/05
Seat 1: Caess ($8.76)
Seat 2: kalroutine ($17.54)
Seat 3: alska82 ($13.87)
Seat 4: RockyL33 ($1.90)
Seat 5: RichMa ($8.11)
Seat 6: DurhamDevil7 ($24.26)
Seat 7: Bateater6 ($4.56)
Seat 8: cheesestix1 ($4.53)
Seat 9: St8wy ($3.05)
St8wy posts the small blind of $0.05
Caess posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichMa [Ad As]
kalroutine folds
alska82 raises to $0.35
RockyL33 folds
RichMa raises to $1.20
DurhamDevil7 folds
Bateater6 folds
cheesestix1 has been disconnected
cheesestix1 folds
cheesestix1 has reconnected
St8wy folds
Caess folds
alska82 calls $0.85
*** FLOP *** [2s Td 6d]
alska82 bets $2.55
RichMa raises to $6.91, and is all in
alska82 calls $4.36
RichMa shows [Ad As]
alska82 shows [Ks Kc]
*** TURN *** [2s Td 6d] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [2s Td 6d Kh] [3s]
RichMa shows a pair of Aces
alska82 shows three of a kind, Kings
alska82 wins the pot ($15.2 with three of a kind, Kings
RichMa: wow
RichMa is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.37 | Rake $1.09
Board: [2s Td 6d Kh 3s]
Seat 1: Caess (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: kalroutine didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: alska82 showed [Ks Kc] and won ($15.2 with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 4: RockyL33 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: RichMa showed [Ad As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: DurhamDevil7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Bateater6 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: cheesestix1 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: St8wy (small blind) folded before the Flop


Despite this crap, I'm up a buck on the session! Playing 4 tables at once is absolutely the way to go. Especially during late night happy hour x2 and those FTPs doubling again on the top 2 tables for the Take 2 promo.

[TerpZone]

lol just got dealt AA, AKs, AKs, KQ on the 3 remaining tables. Wound up losing $2 on these hands despite playing them all correctly. (edit...make that up $4...called a $5 all in with JJ 2 hands down the line against TT.) Wish I could have had this streak during the BAP game.

Won with the AA, lost with one of the AKs to an all in where I hit 2 pair and he tripped jacks. Damn it.



Full Tilt Poker Game #14488462205: Table Concentrate - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:43:47 ET - 2009/09/05
Seat 1: 007 Timmy 007 ($10.91)
Seat 2: DenisG21 ($11.3
Seat 3: 677938 ($1.90)
Seat 4: boo8585 ($12)
Seat 5: 72Ways2Die ($5.59)
Seat 6: Mother of Kuzka ($2.56)
Seat 7: RichMa ($7.43)
Seat 8: cwmxb ($3.3
Seat 9: Campioni06 ($9.9
677938 posts the small blind of $0.05
boo8585 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichMa [Ah Ad]
72Ways2Die folds
Mother of Kuzka folds
RichMa raises to $0.35
cwmxb folds
Campioni06 calls $0.35
007 Timmy 007 folds
DenisG21 folds
677938 folds
boo8585 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Qd As Qs]
boo8585 checks
RichMa checks
Campioni06 checks
*** TURN *** [Qd As Qs] [5s]
boo8585 has 15 seconds left to act
boo8585 has timed out
boo8585 checks
RichMa checks
Campioni06 bets $0.40
boo8585 folds
boo8585 is sitting out
boo8585 has returned
RichMa raises to $2.30
Campioni06 folds
Campioni06 adds $0.77
Uncalled bet of $1.90 returned to RichMa
RichMa mucks
RichMa wins the pot ($1.7
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.90 | Rake $0.12
Board: [Qd As Qs 5s]
Seat 1: 007 Timmy 007 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: DenisG21 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: 677938 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: boo8585 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: 72Ways2Die didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Mother of Kuzka didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: RichMa collected ($1.7, mucked
Seat 8: cwmxb didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Campioni06 folded on the Turn

[TerpZone]

Moral of this story is: Betting rockets big will kill you when KK calls and hits. Limping with them will work because you will hit AQQ on flop with 2 people in the hand and unless this is your BAP Omaha Hi/Lo game, nobody will be holding the QQ.