you were getting really close to a point i want to share with you...humans are animals...humans are mammals, but a mammal is an animal too! why are we any different from an ape? other than ability of brain function and lack of being covered in hair, were not! The American dream is to own a big house and have nice stuff, find a mate, and raise kids, and grow old...not too much different from the life of a penguin...penguins are born and the learn the basic survival needs(food, water, swimming, mating) and so do humans... food, drink, walking, and mating...ofcourse in our society you have to work to do these things...

I grew up in the catholic faith, 12 years of schooling, and sitting through church, only to find out that the catholic church has ALOT of priests/nuns who are TERRIBLE people!!! 2 priests of 2 seperate schools i went to associated with the church were re-assigned in a different country not county...for you know whatting with a you know whattie!

not to mention EVERYONE hated nuns, and for good reason...these women were complete BEE-OTCHES to me and my classmates, i never had ONE nice and caring nun all through my 12 years...yes there were 2 really nice priests who supported my classmates and were influential people in doing moral good throughout life.

if you are looking for more information on the catholic church, you tube george carlin's ten commandments stand-up, hilarious but scarily it makes alot of sense to me... i'll search around for it and post it in this thread!