Fish Hooks.

[KaciBlakely]

This post is about pocket jacks as the title says, because it's insane that I just got horribly beat with quad jacks.

I'll make a post about that in the hand analysis forum in a second but here I am voicing my opinions about them first.

There are a bunch of different starting hands in Hold Em that play for themselves very easily.

Pocket pairs are easily minimum raised at the least but they are easy to fold pre-flop to a serious raise. Say if I have pocket 3's and decide to limp in, I am going to fold to a 500 chip raise. And fold quickly.

Connectors that are suited are easy to lay down if you don't hit the flop. If I have Jc10c, and the flop comes 4h5h6h, I'm folding obviously, no matter what the bet is.

Aces and Kings are great hands to raise as much as you can pre-flop so you can get your monies worth and try to win the chips and the hand.

But what about pocket Jacks?

Pocket Jacks are the fourth best hand in poker preflop so if you don't hit on the flop you are pretty much guranteed to be beat if there is a queen, king, or ace on the board.

If you have jacks and someone is betting back at you, you might have a coinflip 50/50 on your hands, but does that mean you play them like pocket 6's or 7's or what?

I personally never limp with Jacks. I think that would be the biggest mistake because you need to get an understanding from where you are, and you can't tell where you are if you just limp.

If you limp with them, you might as well play pocket 6's and see if you can get lucky and hit a set. If you get beat because you don't raise enough with pocket jacks and they hit a queen, king, or ace on you without raising, then you deserve to get beat with them.

If you are playing in a tournament too, at some point you are going to need to make a move for survival and if you don't risk it with pocket jacks, I don't really know what you are going to try to shove with. You could do worse than jacks if you ask me.

Now on to the analysis of where I got quad jacks beat today.

[allinking17]

THERE ARE ONLY 2 WAYS TO PLAY JACKS
.... and they are both wrong

[KaciBlakely]

THERE ARE ONLY 2 WAYS TO PLAY JACKS
.... and they are both wrong

And how are both ways wrong?

What are they too?

I'd like to know what you think?

It's a forum for discussion I just wanted to start it s please share.

[eejit101]

I limp, raise, fold.

Depends whats goin on. ShazAM!

[KaciBlakely]

Are you happy or drunk?

All your posts are a bit out of the ordinary for you eejit!

No problem, I was just wondering.

[thenutzaa1]

play your pocket jacks with what postion you are.

For example you are first to act, try limping here or min raising

Mid position try a 3 bet.

late postion you raise bigger 4-5 bet or all in if you are low stacked. under 12 big blinds

[KaciBlakely]

That's more than two ways.

And again, I would never limp with jacks.

That is just my opinon.

I don't want to get sucked out on though so I'm sure you understand why.

I've been sucked out with jacks too many times because of limping in and I won't make that mistake again.

[navuta]

I think u should always go all in with pair of jacks....


Joking... U should always fold....

joking... U should just limp...

every game is a different situation....

I once lived on a place called fish hook...
I was robbery there...(stolen)... They stoled 300 dolars from me...

very sad but true...

[KaciBlakely]

There is a city called fish hooks?

That's crazy.

They must be big on fishing there.

[navuta]

There is a city called fish hooks?

That's crazy.

They must be big on fishing there.

I think it is called Fish Hook.. It is on south africa...
I stayed there a good amount of time...
very nice there...
Close to cape town..
Check it out on google earth...

...

So... I hope u are copping well with your sad felling right now...
dont be upset.. everything will pass...

[KaciBlakely]

Thanks.

I'm just trying to distract myself for a bit now.

It's working so far.

Hopefully I will feel better.

I just need to watch some tv, play some poker.

And the eat some ice cream to make mind off of it.

And I'll check it out on google earth for sure.

[navuta]

Thanks.

I'm just trying to distract myself for a bit now.

It's working so far.

Hopefully I will feel better.

I just need to watch some tv, play some poker.

And the eat some ice cream to make mind off of it.

And I'll check it out on google earth for sure.

True... no problem...

U think your husband left u because u played too much poker???

My girlfriend is almost doing the same to me...lol...

She just whent to a bar alone because I whanted to play a game... That wont iven give me much...


Do u think Im crazy???

[kingsnthahole]

unfortunately holdem is not just a game of cards, or luck, or position, or anything by itself...its a mixture of a ton of different variables, combined with what you have and what you think your opponent has, as well as the texture of the flop...so there is no TRUE and PROPER way to play ANY HAND in holdem, even AA.

MOST SITUATIONS:
I'll take a flop with jacks, regardless if i raise, or smooth call/limp. 99/TT/JJ are hands that you need to read the texture of the flop as well as put your opponent on a range, if you're not careful you WILL get beat with these hands...you might think this sounds strange, but i like these hands because i feel that they are very "black and white"... meaning, theres no grey with these hands, you either flop something nice with them(all unders) or overs come and you can easily let JJ/TT/99 go...alot of times I will find myself in drawing situations in which case i read the texture of my draw and the amount my opponent bets according to the strength of my hand, and odds of winning the hand based on pot odds.

obviously if in a tourney and short stacked im shoving with anything better than 55 most times, so yes JJ is getting it ALLIN BABY!!! I'll also call an allin with JJ if im big stacked and shoved on by a short stack.

[thenutzaa1]

thanks kings,

Great info and a must read.

[JettyZ]

Normally in a full table, pocket jacks aren't going to be worth raising with, since anyone could easily raise you, and put you all in, which might not be worth gambling.

I think it's better if you see the flop with jacks by just calling instead of betting, as your bet won't necessarily make someone with say, A-K, A-Q, and so on fold trying to pick up a pair.
Same goes for smaller pairs for me, if you get lucky once in a while and catch trips, you could bust someone who thinks he has the best hand.

I try and avoid going all in with 50/50 odds. Anyways, if you play your hands well, you probably wouldn't need to make a move for survival until you're already in the money.