Cards and Harry Potter?

[KaciBlakely]

It's an interesting title, eh?

Well I had hoped it was, and would draw people in to come into this thread and help me on my poker game.

Tonight I went to the bar with my husband for a freeroll.

It's 100$ cash to the winner and we were playing HA tonight.

That's Hold em and Omaha hi Pot limit.

We were up to 200/400 blinds and we're on hold em.

It comes to me and I call the 400 with 7h9h and 5600 in chips behind me.

The play continues to the last player and big blind check.

The flop comes out 10h 6h As.

I bet pot which is 2400 and someone else calls.

The turn is a Jh.

I bet 1750, and the person behind me raises pot.

At this point it's up to me and I have the choice of going all in or not.

The table is giving me hell for thinking about it but I am thinking about it because I have the flush and the straight flush draw.

Clock gets called and I end up folding.

The river is the 8h.

Where did I go wrong here?

I personally think it is okay for me to call the 400 blind and see what flops out but once the flop hits I'm confused as to where I played this wrong.

I folded because I thought my 9 hi flush was beat so I didn't exactly want to call and think I was losing.

Please help me out here, eejit, or somebody.

Thanks.

[klinkman]

I will be harsh in my assessment of your play. I hope that's ok with you.

Open-limping is generally terrible. It's even worse when you have 14bbs. I'd raise if you are going to play period. Depending on your table, going all in right then and there is an option, if you don't think you will get re-stolen often, going to 1000 or 1100 is ideal, as it leaves you 2 bullets if you work it right, you'll have 4300 back, you can bet 1300-ish on the flop and shove the turn. But that only works if the table will never re-steal from you.

That is a strong flop for your hand, and I agree with betting, but betting half to 2/3 pot would be better than betting the whole pot, as betting full pot leaves you with only 2800 left, which is too small of a bet to force someone out on the turn, or fold to a turn jam, so that bet is essentially all-in. Which is another option, if you think the whole table will just fold to it. Otherwise, a half-pot bet would work wonders. You'll still have 4200 left, so jamming the turn if you hit, or want to continue the semi-bluff, is an option you'll have available later.

How in the hell can you bet fold the turn? If I did the math right, you have 850 back. So you are folding a flush, with what 8k in the pot, for 850 chips? What the **** were you thinking? At that point, if it's no good, shake the man's hand and just walk away. I mean, he literally has to have a better flush to have you beat. And even if his bet is never a bluff, which it should not be, doesn't mean he didn't flat you on the flop with a set, or AK, or even A6. You only need to be good there 10% of the time for calling to be right. I really think you beat over half of his range. Folding is ****ing terrible. Flushes are so good in hold'em, especially since people will spew with top pair top kicker way to often for their own good. Believe me on that, I'm the master of spewing with top pair top kicker.

If I were in your shoes, I would have taken one of 2 lines. Fold pre-flop. Or raise to 1000, bet 1400-ish on the flop, and go all-in on the turn. Folding pre-flop lets you look for a spot that is better than 97 suited. Raise, bet, jam gets your money in with a hand that is extremely unlikely to be beat.

No matter what, folding on the turn is about the most horrible play I've seen recently.

[KaciBlakely]

Well thank you very much for calling my play horrible. lol.

I guess I counted my chips wrong because the guy put me in all in on the turn and He had potted it for 4500 chips and I had 2500 or more.

I do remember counting that out before I made the decision to fold.

Either way, I think my mistake there was the fact that I have played with this guy before.

I've known him for two years, and I really just gave him way too much respect.

I just wanted to go ahead and lay it down because he could've hit any cards on the flop.

He showed his two pair so at the time I thought he would've rivered a full house.

At least with the way he was catching cards.

I appreciate your input though.

So thanks.

Poker is all about learning so I will definitely be remembering this hand the next time I play.

[eejit101]

You know this isnt personal after last time, and i havent read any other responses before im writing this... (other wise i could be swayed)

Preflop - I hate the limp at that stage. You at under 15 big blinds, and with PLO coming up at the next blind level, that is not alot of chips. IF you make a standard raise to around 1200-1500, your making people decide in the blinds if to play or not, ever heard the words fold equity? Hydro made a good post on it a few weeks ago. Anyway, if i went on too much about preflop i might cry, so...

Flop - Lets say i say "call" for some reason and shove 400 in preflop. The pot is according to you 1,000. I dont get this. You kinda need to know how many people called preflop at this stage fr your bet. If 3 people are in (pot of 1400) then your bet is way too big. If there is 7 people in then its about right. Betting correctly is overlooked alot on this forum. IF you play mathematically sound poker on the hands where its needed, you can get alot more extravagant elsewhere.

As played so far i hate this flop bet, you have a gutshot straight flush draw. Not a bad hand to check/call with IMO to try and keep it cheap. Or if you check and you have a bettor, you can raise here and either get it in with +EV from the pot, equity, and odds, or steal a decent sized pot now.


As for the turn, i cant even describe as to how bad this is (again, still not perosnally victimising you or anything). This is played horribly. You have a flush. Its a decent flush, and your only beat by a better flush.

WTF ARE YOU FOLDING FOR??????

Doing math you have under 1k left after your bet. So you bet out at the flush coming, get raised, and fold for the extra 2 big blinds to shove in. Im sorry, but this fold is so bad it hurts. You need to win about 12% of the times you call this hand in order for it to be a +EV call. EVen if he could have a better flush, its possible, but you cant fold this because you got raised. ITs very possible he had A10 or something, youve bet, and instead of calling down twice he riases now to get you all in so if a 4th heart comes on the river he cant be forced into folding a huge pot. He could have a set, 2 pair, top pair top kicker, his range is bigger than you think for this raise...



As for the "river". If on the flop you bet and one other person calls. On the turn you bet and this person raises and you fold, i believe this is a correct analysis.

Question - How the **** is there a river card? Noone else is left in. Action is done on the turn because you folded. Makes me wonder if this is a real hand. If it isnt, its still a decent made up hand as its not a bad analysis thread

[eejit101]

Added note - Just read your "He showed 2 pair i thought he woulda rivered a full house" post.

If this is the case - you should honestly quit poker. This is not the frame of mind to be playing in.

[freeringo]

No fear no fear
get some balls

[KaciBlakely]

As for the "river". If on the flop you bet and one other person calls. On the turn you bet and this person raises and you fold, i believe this is a correct analysis.

That is how the hand went down exactly! I had to fold because that is what I was honestly though.

Question - How the **** is there a river card? Noone else is left in. Action is done on the turn because you folded. Makes me wonder if this is a real hand. If it isnt, its still a decent made up hand as its not a bad analysis thread

It's not made up first of all. This is a card hand that actually happened.

And it's a freeroll at a bar, so whoever was dealing just decided to be a pain in the *** and show me the river, which I would've hit the straight flush.

After that is was downhill and I did get on tilt.

But I will swear up and down to God, that this was a real hand.

Just to let you know so you are not thinking other wise.

[eejit101]

Ok, if its a real hand then please enver do this again!

[KaciBlakely]

I think I'm still on tilt from that hand that I will never, in a million years give a person more respect at the poker table than he deserves.

The important thing is to continue to learn while you are at the poker table and playing the game.