Who agree with abortion?

[navuta]

In brasil abortion is completly ilegal. What I think it is a shame..
The poor countrys has abortion as Ilegal, wile the rich ones can make it legal..
I think abortion should be legal all over the world.. While the fetus are on the woman womb it is her decision to have it or not..
I haveing a big trouble here trying to find a legal way for abortion.
sad but true. My country laws sucks...

What u people think about it?
I would love to have a child, but my girl dont whant to, so I agree with her.!

[freeringo]

No comment

Touchy subject and those who shall debate your views will not take kindly to my sense of humor on this subject.

Good luck with YOUR thread

[taylovesthebeatles]

I was thinking about making this topic the topic of our next weekly discussion, but we can discuss it now if you like. I'll post my thoughts after the game.

[navuta]

No comment

Touchy subject and those who shall debate your views will not take kindly to my sense of humor on this subject.

Good luck with YOUR thread

I would love to hear YOUR sense of humor on this subject.. I think people might get involved with passion with church influences.. and this is not MY tread..lol...
Im asking because i really whant to hear what u think about it...

Check out this piece of news"
Some countries, like South Africa, have undergone substantial transitions in abortion laws in that time. The procedure was made legal in South Africa in 1996, leading to a 90 percent decrease in mortality among women who had abortions, some studies have found.
Abortion is illegal in most of Africa, though. It is the second-leading cause of death among women admitted to hospitals in Ethiopia, its Health Ministry has said. It is the cause of 13 percent of maternal deaths at hospitals in Nigeria, recent studies have found."

[targetguy1]

I dont agree with abortion one bit. Its cheaper to wrap it up then to rasie a baby. I hate hearing people say that cant afford to have another one. I think its wrong to kill even is its still not born yet. There are a lot more better choices out there other then abortion. Adoption is a great choice. So many couples want to be parents for some reason or another they cant have children. If you dont want to baby then give it to someone who cares about the baby.

Then you get on the subject of what if she was raped? Well that a though on because of all the drama the mother will go through having this child. Yet i still dont believe its ok to KILL this baby. I would go into this area more but i will get a lot $hit from people so i will leave this area alone for know.

Overall i think i am totally against this is because your KILLING a baby and not even giving it a chance to live life. I read half of all pregnacy are unplanned. With all the things out there to prevent you from getting pregnent, you should of been on brith control, used a diaphragm, or condoms. There are many more but dont feel like listing them all. You created this problem so be an adult and handle it and not KILL it.

[navuta]

You have a good point.
But I think people should have the freedom to do what they whant with their body... Like autanasia.. If u really whant to kill yourself , why not? It is only important to have the assistence to know all u need to know about what u whant to know.. so..

[targetguy1]

the thing is if you dont want to have a baby, then make sure your cant have one. dont wait to late to kill it

[PANAMHIEST]

As many of my fellow NDNs know by now, Heather and I have a beautiful almost 8 month old duaghter named kylee, which we both love with all our hearts. Back when we first found out she was pregnant, Things were not going so well in the financial area, and money was scarce for us, it all went on bills and gas. I literally had a crappy job, cleaning portable toilets and septic tanks, driving around a big tank truck all day, for 10 bucks an hour.
This child would be our first and i was really scared, unsure of how to act or what to do. I thought about how I could raise and support a little one, I had no real income or education, other than a 2 year community college degree, which got me no where. I thought about abortion, adoption, my head was just constanly ***ed-up not really sure of what to do. I had talks with heather about what I thought, and she is anti-abortion pro life, so We discussed what we would do. I decided that I needed to go back to school, and get job specific training, which I just recently got approved for, and I start class a cdl training in september to become a regional truck driver, something which i have been toying with the idea of doing for years now. She would be a stay at home mom and take care of the baby. We wouldnt trust a complete stranger with our child in a day care, especially with all the crap we hear on the news about what people do to such little innocent kids. But anyways, back when heather was preggers, she showed me this poem which I have posted below, the author is unkwown, but it really hit my heart and soul when it came to my beliefs about abortions.[/B]

here it is:

dear mommy,
i am in he aven now,sitting on jesus lap.
He loves me and cries with me;for my heart has been broken.
I so wanted to be your little girl.
I don't quite understand what has happened.I was so excited when I began realizing my existence.
I was in a dark,yet comfortable place.
I saw I had fingers and toes.
I was pretty far along in my developing, yet not near ready to leave my surroundings.
I spent most of my time thinking or sleeping.
Even from my earliest days,i felt a special bonding between you and me.
Sometimes I heard you crying and I cried with you
sometimes you would yell or scream,then cry.
I heard daddy yelling back.
I was so sad,and hoped you would be better soon.
I wondered why you cried so much
one day you cried almost all of the day.
I hurt for you.
I couldn't imagine why you were so unhappy.
That same day,the most horrible thing happened.
A very mean monster came into that warm,comfortable place I was in.
I was so scared,i began to screaming, but there was no sound.
I guess they had you all pinned down because you never once tried to help me.
Maybe you never heard me.
The monster got closer and closer as I was screaming,"mommy mommy help me please;mommy,help me."
complete terro is all I felt.
I screamed and screamed until I though I couldn't anymore.
The the monster ripped my arm off.
The pain I could never explain.
It didn't stop.
Oh,how I begged it to stop.
I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg off.
Though I was in such complete pain,i realized I was dying.
I knew I would never see your face or hear you say how much you love me.
I wanted to make all your tears go away.
I had so many plans to make you happy.
Now I couldn't all my dreams were shaddered..
Though I was in utter pain and horror,i felt the pain of my heart breaking above all.
I wanted more than anything to be your daughter.
No use now,for I was dying a painful death.
I could only imagine the terrible things they done to you.
I wanted to tell you I loved you befor I was gone,but I didn't know the words that you understand.
And soon and no longer I had the breath to say them;i was dead
i felt myself rising.
I was being carried by a huge angel into a big,beautiful place.
I was still crying,but the pyhsical pain was gone.
The angel took me to jesus and set me on his lap.
He said he loved me, ans he was my father.
Then I was happy.
I asked him what was the thing that killed me.
He answered "abortion".

I qoute this from an unkwown author.

I will never consider this again, and I hate myself for evn considering it. When I look into our daughters eyes, I thank god for giving me the wisdom to make the right decisions, and we have been blessed.

[navuta]

Thanks guys for all the nice advises..
I would really love to have a child..
I hope everything turns out well and nice...
Im completly in favor of life.. Im not against abortion...
I love kids.. I love people... I love my girl..
I wish she had the same thought I have.

[badaace1973]

I totally am against abortion but I also think it should be between a woman and God. I personally would not have one or want my wife to have one but I dont think a doctor a woman and her husband and God should decide not the state or me. There is alot of different factors that go into it.

[PANAMHIEST]

If any thing please give the child a chance. Then if you cant handle it, adopt him/her out to a family that can. All children deserve a chance at life, and life shouldnt be taken from them for ones own selfish reasons. Im am not against others who abort, and I dont hate em, I just feel for the lil itty bitty innocent kiddos that never had a chance to say I love you mommy, and to be loved back, regardless of where in life you are.

[KaciBlakely]

I support it to be honest.

If you aren't ready to be a mother, don't have the child because it will become a burden to you and/or society.

While I say this, I am not trying to be mean or rude, and I am honestly thinking of the said child.

There are so many poorly run orphanges and child protective services are not the best when inspecting them.

I personally would not do it, but if I was ever raped, or something of the nature of a thirteen year old getting pregnant, I would then suggest it.

[*KYLEE'SMOMMY*]

i dont agree with abortion. I dont think its ever ok to kill, espcially a baby that didnt ask to be put here in the first place. i think if u have sex and get pegnant and u dont want it then adopt it out. if you dont want to get pregnant get on birth control! you can get free birth control so there is no excuse!!!!!! this is a very touchy subject for me!

[targetguy1]

I support it to be honest.

If you aren't ready to be a mother, don't have the child because it will become a burden to you and/or society.

While I say this, I am not trying to be mean or rude, and I am honestly thinking of the said child.

There are so many poorly run orphanges and child protective services are not the best when inspecting them.

I personally would not do it, but if I was ever raped, or something of the nature of a thirteen year old getting pregnant, I would then suggest it.

If your not ready to be mother then take the steps to prevent it. Just cuz someone isnt ready to become a mother doesnt mean someone out there who cant have a child isnt. Life is a beautiful thing that most young and imature people dont and will never understand.

[KaciBlakely]

If your not ready to be mother then take the steps to prevent it. Just cuz someone isnt ready to become a mother doesnt mean someone out there who cant have a child isnt. Life is a beautiful thing that most young and imature people dont and will never understand.

I understand this line of thinking. Believe me I do. But I would still rather you use birth control, contraception, anything but do this as a personal choice but as a choice for others, it is their decision and it is something legal.

Just because I agree that it is okay with given circumstances doesn't make me an evil person though.

In China it is used as a population control method.

Not that, that fact was important but I through it in there anyway.

[targetguy1]

I understand this line of thinking. Believe me I do. But I would still rather you use birth control, contraception, anything but do this as a personal choice but as a choice for others, it is their decision and it is something legal.

Just because I agree that it is okay with given circumstances doesn't make me an evil person though.

In China it is used as a population control method.

Not that, that fact was important but I through it in there anyway.

to me if your not ready then why wait til you prego to do something about it. my points is protect yourself so you dont have to have a abortion. just cuz its legal in some place doesnt mean its right.

[taylovesthebeatles]

Even though I am a woman, I am opposed to abortion, especially as a form of birth control, as many of you have already expressed. Contraception in this country is for the most part cheap, widely available, and legal, and in my mind the possible consequences of not using protection unless you're trying to conceive are as widely known and understood as the dangers of smoking nicotine. I really have no sympathy for teenagers who engage in unprotected sex and get knocked up, when they should know better and have protected themselves in the first place. In addition, if you're older and even married, but you don't feel that you are financially or otherwise able to raise a child, then you also should be using protection. That part of it is just common sense. If you don't get that then in my opinion you shouldn't be doing the deed.

I do know, however, that accidents happen sometimes and people do get pregnant even when they take precaution against it. I have a good friend who, as she puts it, is the "result of birth control and a condom". Even the most careful people can get pregnant, though if you're protecting yourself properly the chances of it happening are extremely slim. In situations like that, though it is difficult, my answer is to give the child up for adoption. The friend I was talking about is one of those children who was adopted out at birth, and I know her parents were overjoyed to be able to have the opportunity to have a child, even if it wasn't one of their own biologically.

The only situations for me as to whether the option of abortion should even be on the table are in instances of rape or for the health of the mother. I'm inclined to say that for rape victims, they should be able to have access to an easier adoption, but I've never been raped, let alone been impregnated by a rapist and "forced" to carry that child to term and give birth to it, so I can't really say how someone in that situation "should" or is most likely to feel about having a baby that they, unlike those who voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse without protection, had no control or say in creating.

As far as the health of the mother is concerned, again this issue involves a bit of religious faith and belief for me. From my perspective, as I've said before, everything happens to us for a reason, and though it may sound cruel, I don't necessarily think it's okay to play God as I've said before and make that decision as to whose life is more important and worth saving, the baby or the mother. I'm inclined in those situations to just say let nature take its course, but at the same time I don't think every woman feels the same way I do about this (even though I'm not completely sure how I feel myself) and if there's a chance that aborting one baby who has no chance of survival anyway will give the mother the chance to live and hopefully produce more children, then maybe the baby should be aborted to save the life of the mother.

As a person who is short in stature, I know that any pregnancy I have, if I am able to carry a child to term at all, will be extremely risky, and klinkman and I have discussed what we would do if this kind of situation happened to us, where the presence of the growing baby inside me endangered the lives of both of us somehow. We're both pro-life, but he has said that in this situation he'd ultimately leave the decision up to me, as I'd be the one pregnant with the baby. I'm still not sure what my decision would be, but it is for these reasons that I don't think abortion *as a medical procedure only, not birth control* should be made illegal.

A couple final, smaller points. Firstly, I know that some of my own personal views on abortion are somewhat based on a belief in God who values human life, but I don't think that these views should be taken into account when a doctor who is legally able to perform an abortion is faced with a patient seeking the procedure for what I feel to likely be legitimate reasons, even if that person is not of the age of majority. I read a news story the other day about how Alabama I believe is seeking to tighten its restrictions on abortions, and one rule they are considering implementing is that a doctor can legally refuse to perform an abortion on a religious or personally moral basis. I really don't think that is right at all. Secondly, as I have stated before, I am also against the death penalty, and I am really irked by the hypocrisy of many anti-death penalty advocates who at the same time support abortion, and are often pro-choice, which I define as supporting the use of abortion as birth control or "family planning". Even if someone explains the difference to me as they see it, I'm not sure that I'll ever get it. So call me weird if you want, but at the end of the day I am opposed to abortion.

[GloBug]

well i am gonna make it short and sweet. i am completely for it due to our situation with foster care and homeless children. so for instance a crackhead mom wants to have a abortion and your gonna tell her no so some one lese can take care of a crack head baby that will mmore than likely have health and mental problems which will inturn have a affect on our healthcare system and tax payers money. we have more pressing things to worry about that abortion. it should be a persons right to do what they want with a fetus if they dont have the means to have one or if ti was not a child that is wanted. mistakes do happen to young and older people. u know a few drinks and then boom im preggo. thats not a good situtaion to bring a child into. is it? but anyways i am for it.

[klinkman]

well i am gonna make it short and sweet. i am completely for it due to our situation with foster care and homeless children. so for instance a crackhead mom wants to have a abortion and your gonna tell her no so some one lese can take care of a crack head baby that will mmore than likely have health and mental problems which will inturn have a affect on our healthcare system and tax payers money. we have more pressing things to worry about that abortion. it should be a persons right to do what they want with a fetus if they dont have the means to have one or if ti was not a child that is wanted. mistakes do happen to young and older people. u know a few drinks and then boom im preggo. thats not a good situtaion to bring a child into. is it? but anyways i am for it.

See, I disagree that the child of a crack baby will more than likely have health issues if adopted. You are correct in the assertion that babies born to that circumstance have troubles, but I suspect that those troubles are caused not merely by being born to a crack addicted mother, but rather by the neglect and abuse suffered by the child as it grows. That enviorment is terrible for the baby. But adoptive parents, who strive to provide a wonderful and loving enviorment for the baby to grow up in, can help overcome that adversity. It's simply not the case that they will be damaged for life. Now damage can occur in the womb due to drug use. If that truly is the case then the doctors should determine the best plan for the welfare of the child.

[GloBug]

See, I disagree that the child of a crack baby will more than likely have health issues if adopted. You are correct in the assertion that babies born to that circumstance have troubles, but I suspect that those troubles are caused not merely by being born to a crack addicted mother, but rather by the neglect and abuse suffered by the child as it grows. That enviorment is terrible for the baby. But adoptive parents, who strive to provide a wonderful and loving enviorment for the baby to grow up in, can help overcome that adversity. It's simply not the case that they will be damaged for life. Now damage can occur in the womb due to drug use. If that truly is the case then the doctors should determine the best plan for the welfare of the child.

well the odds are against them when they are born into this world. and more than likely it leads to prison or drugs them self. either way it is a burden. to those of you that dont have kids i donthink really know how hard it is to rear a kid the right way. it takes alot of time and effert and those are things that we cant afford with the way things are now a days. they are a product of there enviroment.

[taylovesthebeatles]

well the odds are against them when they are born into this world. and more than likely it leads to prison or drugs them self. either way it is a burden. to those of you that dont have kids i donthink really know how hard it is to rear a kid the right way. it takes alot of time and effert and those are things that we cant afford with the way things are now a days. they are a product of there enviroment.

I know that it takes time and lots of hard work to have and raise kids, especially in this tough economy. That's why I advocate being educated and using protection so you don't have kids until you know you're ready. I just read one of your posts to Kylee'sMommy about how the decision to have a child and if it's the right time should be up to the parents. I agree with that wholeheartedly, and like I said the way to go about that is education and safe sex. It doesn't take a parent to know that.

[0maxpower0]

Im not sure if i am oversimplyfying it, or making a wrong assumption. But is it safe to say that women one the whole are against it, and men on the whole are for it? Its makes sense to me, what with a womans inclination of compassion and nurturing, and a mans inclination for neccessity and providing.

This is quite easily one of those debates where both sides can make very sound arguements.... so in that sense, how can anyone be right or wrong. I think the bread and butter idea here is: each situation would call for something different, so to say one way is right or wrong is just inconsiderate. In some occaisions abortion may be the right thing to do, despite the hardships on the man and woman (particularly the woman... all those biological changes that begin to occur just stop. I dont know from exp, but i can certainly imagine the toll thatd take on a womans body and mind). And in other cases, like targets, if you can find a family, spend time with them to make sure theyre righteous/compassionate or whatever, and can do it with dignity and respect, then it is NOW the right thing to do.

"I dont know whats its like in other countries or in other parts of the usa (and i have a feeling ill make some enemies with this one, but i promise you im not speaking outta spite) but there are some woman who will lie to a man, simply to get pregnant and keep the child, regardles of the fact that they are able. I can safely say that at least 50 of teh 250+ people in my former senior class have a kid in poor circumstance(im 23). I can think of a dozen instances where my friends are dating a girl, the girl LIES about contrceptives, theyre plan the whole to have a kid with anyone, to give their life "meaning" I know it sounds harsh, and im kinda a cynic, but i swear to you, particularly recently, ive been seeing it...
it works out so; the crazy b*tch gets pregnant to give her life value, with a man she really doesnt love. They have the kid, both resenting it and each other, and then the spiral continues. That kid grow up with hate in their heart because their parents never wanted them, and they go out and do the same thing... its an endless cycle..."

Id love to hear other ppls opinions about what im saying ^^ in particular. I have a certain conviction in what im saying, but i very well could be tainted by my experiences, and i want to hear what others have to say about it " ".

[KaciBlakely]

Im not sure if i am oversimplyfying it, or making a wrong assumption. But is it safe to say that women one the whole are against it, and men on the whole are for it? Its makes sense to me, what with a womans inclination of compassion and nurturing, and a mans inclination for neccessity and providing.

Id love to hear other ppls opinions about what im saying ^^ in particular. I have a certain conviction in what im saying, but i very well could be tainted by my experiences, and i want to hear what others have to say about it " ".

I don't necessarily believe that women as a whole are against it, or for it.

I don't think you can generalize a population of people like that.

I've known many men who were disappointed to come to find that their partners had gotten an abortion without telling them, and different situations like that.

Maybe I am over playing how many times this happens, but I assure you it does.

That's just my opinion on that.