Is Nature the answer?

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

Ok Ok so tonight I was hanging out with a good friend that is pretty much a hippie. Her next door friends are lesbions. None of this would be a problem exept that they seem kind of fake to me. So we end up getting into this argument about how we really feel a bout the subject. I feel like anytime I meet a person that is A sexual they arnt sexual at all in fact and that it seems that they really are looking for some kind of a friend more or less. Bla Bla but when it all boils down and you are looking at a diffrent prostpective from the outside world; putting the lesbions on a planet by themselves they need men just as much as we need them. Maybe that is why im not like some crazy hater out there trying to be Mr. anti rainbow or something. But at the same time does this situiation make sense at all. I mean is this all just some kind of a social thing. I really believe in nature and that it is always right because only the strong survive not they A sexuals arnt strong socialy but naturaly I just find it hard to belive. If I were to put a bunch of women on a planet how long would their coulter last? Only as long as theyre life time. Now if I throw one non sex there how long. You see I belive that the universe is all about possotive and neggotive vibes, energy whatever you want to call it. Everything is pulling and pushing and trying to find a balance or some kind of a neutral state. Maybe this Possotive on Possotive and negative on negative will lead to a neatral state I dont know. Nature does work in very odd ways ive come to find. Either way I will be open minded and not try to think about all of this too much but sometimes it is sad to see a gorgious girl with no future in procreation or just fun in that matter!

[freeringo]

I am getting some strange vibes from you, that's for sure.
You think that lesbians naturally want a man.
I wouldn't spend too much time on this.
Any Lesbians want to address this.
My sister is Lesbian and would debate you strongly.
Your comment about pos on pos and neg on neg will some day balance out the universe is very amusing.
My head is bobbling.

[KaciBlakely]

Okay, I'm gonna agree with Globug and say this guy is just spamming to spam.

That and it's about a really weird topic, which I also got weird vibes from and your spelling is way off some times but on at others and with you post a new thread we have spell checck.

So why would you not spell check it, if you were just spamming instead.

Did you go back and read the post on your introduction post. I listed some very helpful post for you to read so please do that.

For real, I thought it would help so re-read them if you already have.

I love ***s/lesbians though so I don't have a problem either way.

[targetguy1]

i am a lesbian stuck in a mans body.

[taylovesthebeatles]

Okay I really didn't understand your post, it didn't make sense to me. Sorry. But if you're saying that you don't think women who are interested in or attracted to other women have no value apart from men, I'll have to vehemenenetly disagree with you.

I am bisexual, and I enjoy sex with both men and women. For me personally though, I feel more comfortable in romantic relationships with men. Additionally, my fiance and I are neither financially nor physically ready to bring a child into this world yet, but I don't think that should be a prerequisite for us expressing our love for each other. Also, there are many people, men and women alike, who are biologically unable to produce children through no fault of their own. Should we ostracize them too?

I know from my own experiences that sexual orientation is not a choice, and furthermore, still others have different limitations or circumstances beyond their control that require a different way of life. As these situations are beyond the control of the individual, they should not be treated differently or ostracized by the rest of society. To say that women attracted to other women should not be a part of society is like saying that I don't deserve the same rights and treatment in society as others because of my physical handicap. And that, in my personal opinion, is ludicrous at best, and extremely hurtful and disrespectful.

[nodepositneeded]

Okay I really didn't understand your post, it didn't make sense to me. Sorry. But if you're saying that you don't think women who are interested in or attracted to other women have no value apart from men, I'll have to vehemenenetly disagree with you.

I am bisexual, and I enjoy sex with both men and women. For me personally though, I feel more comfortable in romantic relationships with men. Additionally, my fiance and I are neither financially nor physically ready to bring a child into this world yet, but I don't think that should be a prerequisite for us expressing our love for each other. Also, there are many people, men and women alike, who are biologically unable to produce children through no fault of their own. Should we ostracize them too?

I know from my own experiences that sexual orientation is not a choice, and furthermore, still others have different limitations or circumstances beyond their control that require a different way of life. As these situations are beyond the control of the individual, they should not be treated differently or ostracized by the rest of society. To say that women attracted to other women should not be a part of society is like saying that I don't deserve the same rights and treatment in society as others because of my physical handicap. And that, in my personal opinion, is ludicrous at best, and extremely hurtful and disrespectful.

This gets my vote for the most well written post of all time!

I'd write my thoughts in response to this thread, but I could never top what taylovesthebeatles wrote so I won't waste anybody's time. I agree on every point!

I didn't understand the first post and I am not sure what the intention of making the post actually was.

However, at least it's sparked some passionate discussion!

[PANAMHIEST]

I think this guy has been getting some of that wierd metabolic spicy on his brain from navuta! Just completely way out in left field stuff. *** or no ***, It dont matter to me, I accept everyone for who they are. Even strange dudes, so thanks for the farout post.

[woohoosue]

yup but i hope he gets no points for sparking disscussion .... please NDN?!?

these kind of post kill me ..my heart just falls into my feet.... ppl profess they are not haters but then sit and try to justify their hateful thoughts as wonderment (like we are all thinkin the same things) ... WE ARE SO NOT DUDE! ....

don't dwell on this? You so need to dwell on this..... but in the privacy of your own mind .... until you can come to grips that you are intolerant of others and you need to stop thinking that your mind set is the norm (al tho i fear it is in more ppl than i care it to be) ...

PLEASE! take a moment to step back.. really look at the world we all share dude .. and ask why you even think your opinion on the subject is something that is relevant to us or yourself since you've proven your lack of understanding involved for u to speak on the subject..

Tay beautifully put girl.... unlike NDN i just couldnt stop there.. please forgive my outburt!

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

Ok oK my spelling might be a little messed up and I know it can annoy people im just lazy and even in my jurnal I dont care about spending alot of time on this. When I tried to spell check anyways it said something about a download.

1st of all I never said that a women with a women or a man with another mail should not be a part of society. What Im saying is that it is not natural ok. Im also trying to say that homo sexuality is a social thing only. I want somebody to tell me where I can find homo sexuality overcome in a species in nature. I have *** friends I work with them and even enjoy their company. I dont know why all of you are getting so defensive about this I even said that Im not going to think about this a whole lot. I do enjoy giving you all something to talk about and maybe I like to see your opinions as well. Im not being disrespectful or hurtful at all on purpose.

Who said that being in a relationship with the opposite sex was normal? Why is it normal what is norm anyways? Who are you to say what is and isnt yourself?

I just dont belive scientificly that a species of anykind will survive with homosexuality alone because it is not mothernatures way. At the same time I love some of my *** friends though which I feel is being very open minded considering that I was brought up Catholic and have had a person that was probaly the most beautiful soul ever, and die of aids in my life. RIP. Hate has nothing to do with any of this so dont get you panties twisted up too tight. I just wanted to share my thoughts of question if nature is the answer? The title of the whole thing.

Now for the whole spamming thing I dont think that it is for you to decide if im spamming or not and if you are complaining about it and trying to play spam conrol than you I belive are guilty of the crime yourself.

This is the place I belive for genaral chat (chat about anything you like) correct me if im wrong.

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

Correct me if im wrong but I never said that women have no value apart from men not one time nor did I even hint towards it.

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

O and this isnt a wierd topic at all it has been a topic since the old testement.

[thejuanupsman]

In what way is it not natural? It occurs in nature and not just in humans. There are hundreds of species that engage in homosexual behaviors.

[thejuanupsman]

O and this isnt a wierd topic at all it has been a topic since the old testement.

There are lots of weird topics in the old testament. I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive.

[thejuanupsman]

Correct me if im wrong but I never said that women have no value apart from men not one time nor did I even hint towards it.

It may not have been your intent but this:

sometimes it is sad to see a gorgious girl with no future in procreation or just fun in that matter!

does exactly that.

[Hydrotrip]

*My Two Cents*

Regarding homosexuality and morality, I am not one to judge. However, morality and metaphysical naturalism are independent themes in contemporary philosophy. I favor that homosexuality is principally a product of ominous socialization. From a bird's eye view of Freudian theory and objective realism, the unequivocal correlation of social and psychological constructs manifested in remarkedly developed prefectures to the contagion of sexual deviance is indicative of an irrefutable severance between naturalism and homosexuality. IMO.

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

You are right what im trying to say is that it is not a subject out of left field.

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

THANK YOU! Bra

[freeringo]

*My Two Cents*

Regarding homosexuality and morality, I am not one to judge. However, morality and metaphysical naturalism are independent themes in contemporary philosophy. I favor that homosexuality is principally a product of ominous socialization. From a bird's eye view of Freudian theory and objective realism, the unequivocal correlation of social and psychological constructs manifested in remarkedly developed prefectures to the contagion of sexual deviance is indicative of an irrefutable severance between naturalism and homosexuality. IMO.

This post has a record 29 - 8 letter words or larger in it.
woof.

[eejit101]

All women are only lesbians if they havent met me.

[eejit101]

Oh, and regarding this post (now that ive made my customary joke)

Swoffleybirdcopter - Good thread, i like it anyway. And i agree with everyone.

Tay - +rep

Kaci - This thread is 99% better than most other general threads. If he chooses to put time into writing this thread, Im sure with the response its gotten already it warrants not being called spam. Id also sure NDN would appreciate it if members wouldnt go around accusing other members of spamming threads.


As for the thread itself - Tay put it beautifully. And while i think that deep down everyone is "programmed" in some way to be attracted to the opposite sex, the free conscience of the mind can override that and choose a bifferent path if it sees fit. Everyone is told from an early age not to steal, pillage, murder e.t.c, and for some people they see no wrong with it.

I know this is different but hte same basic morals still apply. People can choose what they want to do, and who they want to do

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

ok from a biological point of view with the whole natural thing. I belive that every person has reproductive organs. These organs are made for us to reproduce. I think that the human species have intention to reproduce like most organisms. I do know that it takes a relationship for reproducing and that relationship is hetero sexual. So this is why I belive that the people were desighned naturaly to be heterosexual. Homosexuality relationships cannot and never will be able to reproduce right? To me this means that in nature the intended realationship for us is hetorosexual not vise versa. It just seems logical to me and not to unreasonable. I know that a persons sexual style is there choice ok. I dont belive either that they dont have rights and it is wrong or immoral in anyway but it is unnatural. We beside dophins are the only animals that have sex for plessure do you ever see animals of the same sex pleaseuring each other? Tell me this animal and ill shut up. Why cant homosexuals just be good friends. Maybe homo sexuality is gods birth control or something. In nature the majority seems to always take over and the rest have to fight to survive. It is a hurdle in life for humans to go threw the whole social process. Some how we get molded because of this assimilation and intellectual construction.

The last thing im going to say about this subject is that I belive that nature is the answere to our survival but nobody should be condemned for being attracted to one another. Its not there fault that they where social influenced in this way.

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

There is my little more time for this

[SWoRLeYBiRD]

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NATURAL IM SORRY. (this doesnt mean im saying it is wrong)

[thejuanupsman]

ok from a biological point of view with the whole natural thing. I belive that every person has reproductive organs. These organs are made for us to reproduce. I think that the human species have intention to reproduce like most organisms. I do know that it takes a relationship for reproducing and that relationship is hetero sexual. So this is why I belive that the people were desighned naturaly to be heterosexual. Homosexuality relationships cannot and never will be able to reproduce right? To me this means that in nature the intended realationship for us is hetorosexual not vise versa. It just seems logical to me and not to unreasonable. I know that a persons sexual style is there choice ok. I dont belive either that they dont have rights and it is wrong or immoral in anyway but it is unnatural. We beside dophins are the only animals that have sex for plessure do you ever see animals of the same sex pleaseuring each other? Tell me this animal and ill shut up. Why cant homosexuals just be good friends. Maybe homo sexuality is gods birth control or something. In nature the majority seems to always take over and the rest have to fight to survive. It is a hurdle in life for humans to go threw the whole social process. Some how we get molded because of this assimilation and intellectual construction.

The last thing im going to say about this subject is that I belive that nature is the answere to our survival but nobody should be condemned for being attracted to one another. Its not there fault that they where social influenced in this way.

This is a myth. Almost all mammals get pleasure from sexual activity. The fact that they are biologically driven towards sexual behavior does not eliminate the pleasure element. As for showing you the animal that does I would suggest that since you claim it is only dolphins and humans the burden of proof is on you. What is your source for this contention?

[thejuanupsman]

ok from a biological point of view with the whole natural thing. I belive that every person has reproductive organs. These organs are made for us to reproduce. I think that the human species have intention to reproduce like most organisms. I do know that it takes a relationship for reproducing and that relationship is hetero sexual. So this is why I belive that the people were desighned naturaly to be heterosexual. Homosexuality relationships cannot and never will be able to reproduce right? To me this means that in nature the intended realationship for us is hetorosexual not vise versa. It just seems logical to me and not to unreasonable. I know that a persons sexual style is there choice ok. I dont belive either that they dont have rights and it is wrong or immoral in anyway but it is unnatural. We beside dophins are the only animals that have sex for plessure do you ever see animals of the same sex pleaseuring each other? Tell me this animal and ill shut up. Why cant homosexuals just be good friends. Maybe homo sexuality is gods birth control or something. In nature the majority seems to always take over and the rest have to fight to survive. It is a hurdle in life for humans to go threw the whole social process. Some how we get molded because of this assimilation and intellectual construction.

The last thing im going to say about this subject is that I belive that nature is the answere to our survival but nobody should be condemned for being attracted to one another. Its not there fault that they where social influenced in this way.

There are many facets of natural behavior that fall outside the realm of reproduction. If you are going to limit the natural to the reproductive then you can eliminate a significant portion of animal behavior as unnatural. At that point the word loses it's meaning doesn't it? If you mean conducive to reproduction then say that. But if it happens in the natural world (and any farm boy can tell you it does) then it's natural.