What if we all played by the book?

[freeringo]

I am amused by the analyzer mentality to push their styles of play on other players. They want us to do everything the way they do. Why? Is it so they can feel some pride in knowing that they improved an average players game?
Is it so they can more easily read other players and control the game better?
I like the fact that the analyzer offers great tips on how to play better poker. I don't like it when they get mad at others if they don't heed their advise or chose to ignore it completely. If we all played by the book, we might as well be robots. BORING
I love poker because of the wide spectrum of styles and abilities of the other players.
I also love it when the under dog newbie wins too.
Most people on line play poker for fun, less than 1 in 50 will take poker to a
higher level. It might be their lack of funding or lack of confidence.
Taking it to a higher level can lead to gambling problems as well.
My point is: If you want to learn better poker, read and play alot.
Don't ever feel pressure from better players to play their style unless you want too. Everyone is unique and that's what makes poker so popular and fun.
We don't all want to be poker pros, but we do want to have fun.

[navuta]

Yes, when whant to have fun..
Im unpredictable on the tables..
thats why i like poker..
Brasilian are hard to guess I think.
Nice post ringo.
SOme are here for the money.
Others for the money.,
Others for the friends..
Others just to spend time.
Im here for the love of poker.

[ffcowboy76]

Being one of the "analyzers" you referred to in your post I feel compelled to answer. I'm not hear to push a style of play on you, rather teach you the math that is behind poker. The math doesn't change, regardless of what style you play. If you are loose aggressive, loose passive, tight aggressive, tight passive, or any style in between the math of chasing a draw or winning a hand doesn't change. Most of us are not trying to get you to play a certain way, but try to explain a way to allow you to make money so you can continue to play poker without hurting your wallet. If you have the money to continuously deposit on a site, feel free to do so. I'm going to assume that most of us are here to play poker on a limited budget, therefore playing winning poker allows you to play more poker for your money.

Seeing as most of you are here to whine and cry when you run into another poor player, I will quit analyzing hands on this site.

[freeringo]

I was actually referrimg to Eejit because he complained about nobody reading
his long post. I did mock him and I see it spilled over on to you. I am sorry.
Honestly, I haven't read but a few of your posts and I don't know you well enough to diss you in any way. I wanted Eejit to understand that some
of us can't be taught, don't want to learn, can't comprehend or just don't care. So don't complain about the # of responses you get, just stay true to yourself Eejit. If one persons gets something out of it, then it's worth it.

[ffcowboy76]

Here's the deal. I feel part of eejit's pain. It's not that people don't respond to his posts, but rather the people asking for advise don't follow it. If you keep track of who posts what and how they play after people give them advise you will see it too. As I said before, I'm not out to change your playing style, rather help you understand the math which explains why lots of things in poker happen. You are dealt two cards and what you do with them is your business, but I fell a bit of pain when I compose a long response to someone and see them posting another hand 2 weeks later that fits exactly into what I explained to them 2 weeks earlier. Instead of learning the lesson that they were asking for they continued to do the same thing, even after having it explained to them. I'm pretty sure eejit, as well as myself, is frustrated with that very thing. I don't have a vested stake in if you make a profit, but would really like to see my friends do well.

[GloBug]

well i enjoy all the talk and tips. i dont use it all but i try my damndest to take it all in. sometimes it can be tough with all the info. but i still appreciate it.

[freeringo]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a short memory and I find it easier to live in the now than remember the past. Eejit encourages me to post more poker related posts sometimes. I do like to read different responses
from current live people instead of reading archives. You can understand that. I am more social minded than others. Thanks for your responses ffcowboy and I will read your posts when I can.
I have to say that so much of the math talk goes right over MY head.

[ffcowboy76]

Ringo, if the math goes over your head, ask for more input. There are many different ways to explain the same thing.

All I personally want to see is all the people I help be successful at this great game. No matter what you say, most people on here play poker to make a profit. If it's $10 a month or $1000 a month. If you were not playing to make money you wouldn't care if you got donked out on.

[freeringo]

I know a player that consistantly throws money at the big prize, it makes her
feel like a winner. I witnessed her at least 12 games in which I played with her, rebuy up to 17 times. We played in a bounty game with an average of 9 players, where you could double rebuy for $5 each and the top 5 paid.
However, there also was a monthly bounty contest attached with a$300 1st prize. Well this player averaged at least 8 rebuys a night and donked called everthing. She pissed me off so bad so many nights that I quit playing in that game all together. She took second in the month contest.
The 1st place guy talked and talked and analyzed every hand. I never seen anybody talk that much in my life. He pissed everybody off.
Nobody said a word at the table ever, except the chat box continued to move with the 1st place player calling the plays. I actually befriended the talker and loath the donkey.
I have some deep poker scars that I am working on healing.

[eejit101]

I dont care, in drunk - so here is what i think, put blatently and to the point.

I post what i post about poker to imprvoe your games. I know for a fact i dont liten to myself quite often, and that causes me to lose more often tha i should.

The BASE FACTS of the matter is that some of the people on this forum are good players, they just need fine tuning for some slight errors. Some IMO are complete donks.

Im probably going to get banned for this post but screw it.


The weaknesses i see in some peoples games are horrendous. As i have some small kind of image in this forum i do my best to point out those weaknesses and post articles/comments, so people can leave and better their games.

Noone listens. I know not of ONE SINGLE PERSON who has real anything ive written and done something about it.

If i didnt know what i know id be a much worse player than i was.

And as i am the ONLY forum member current to have a big score in an MTT, no one, or twice, but SEVERAL times, and also to have alifetime ROI in positive figures in all MTT and SNGs, i think my advice should be pretty much taken as gospel and listened to.


I am not asking that you adapt your style to fit mine, im just asking you read what i take the time to write to see if any of what i write can be used to hep you

I guess i feel frustrated that i take sometimes 1 hour to write a pretty damn awesome poker post, then watch every single person who reads it not change a god damn thing about their play.


If people want to call prelfop to a 3bet with KQ suited, feel free. If you want to squeeze play with something like 78 feel free. All i want is that you know youre just giving your chips away when you do it, before you do it.

IMO every single one of my posts on this subject (that i recently highlighted in a big link thread, that 19 people read, and 7 of those views were me, so either 12 or less people read) has some kind of valid information that you can use.



As for ringos point - if playing by the book makes you a robot.

Does it hell. Everyone can choose times to be agressive or not at stages, and figure out hgow to play their own game. All im teaching are basic fundmanetals of the game, simple maths, simple moves, and basic level 2/3/4 plays that youll need to be a consistant winner.


If you like winning $20 a week playing as you do, knock yourself out and ignore every single thing is say.

If you fancy doing this as a full time job, or possible earning thousands without having to get lucky on the way, then listen to what the GOOD analysers on this forum say, and try and take some in.

[eejit101]

As an after thought, i am not that drunk. Ive just had a couple.


If someone such as Ringo wants to post this, then this will be the last time i attempt to pass on some knowledge about poker to you all.

Feel free to dow hatever the hell you want.

[freeringo]

I dont care, in drunk - so here is what i think, put blatently and to the point.

I post what i post about poker to imprvoe your games. I know for a fact i dont liten to myself quite often, and that causes me to lose more often tha i should.

The BASE FACTS of the matter is that some of the people on this forum are good players, they just need fine tuning for some slight errors. Some IMO are complete donks.

Im probably going to get banned for this post but screw it.


The weaknesses i see in some peoples games are horrendous. As i have some small kind of image in this forum i do my best to point out those weaknesses and post articles/comments, so people can leave and better their games.

Noone listens. I know not of ONE SINGLE PERSON who has real anything ive written and done something about it.

If i didnt know what i know id be a much worse player than i was.

And as i am the ONLY forum member current to have a big score in an MTT, no one, or twice, but SEVERAL times, and also to have alifetime ROI in positive figures in all MTT and SNGs, i think my advice should be pretty much taken as gospel and listened to.


I am not asking that you adapt your style to fit mine, im just asking you read what i take the time to write to see if any of what i write can be used to hep you

I guess i feel frustrated that i take sometimes 1 hour to write a pretty damn awesome poker post, then watch every single person who reads it not change a god damn thing about their play.


If people want to call prelfop to a 3bet with KQ suited, feel free. If you want to squeeze play with something like 78 feel free. All i want is that you know youre just giving your chips away when you do it, before you do it.

IMO every single one of my posts on this subject (that i recently highlighted in a big link thread, that 19 people read, and 7 of those views were me, so either 12 or less people read) has some kind of valid information that you can use.



As for ringos point - if playing by the book makes you a robot.

Does it hell. Everyone can choose times to be agressive or not at stages, and figure out hgow to play their own game. All im teaching are basic fundmanetals of the game, simple maths, simple moves, and basic level 2/3/4 plays that youll need to be a consistant winner.


If you like winning $20 a week playing as you do, knock yourself out and ignore every single thing is say.

If you fancy doing this as a full time job, or possible earning thousands without having to get lucky on the way, then listen to what the GOOD analysers on this forum say, and try and take some in.

Best post ever. I am grateful for your imput everyday.
and yes I am content with my $40 a week thank you
some of what you have said has helped me and I expect a $60 a week average real soon.
I shall drink in your honor

[eejit101]

If that honestly what you think, then feel free to get others to follow.

But then again who really cares?

Its not my money. I just go out of my way to post certain things for no reason

[nodepositneeded]

If we all played by the book; I would win every single time and it would get extremely boring for everyone.

[eejit101]

No, weve done that, you still get ****ed at the FT

[sloeddie]

not to rip or tear i myself do things that arn't right as i suppose others do. things in life, on the poker tables, and also at the dinner table. i have been shown, told and threatened for all most 50 years yet i still do them granted not all the time but still. i have two boys who do the same. now i don't know for sure but i suspect their children will do the same thing not exactly what did, but listen and pay no attention to what is said. my point being don't stop sharing advice if one line of a two page advice column gets through to one person i personaly think it's worth the price of admission" i thank you Eejit"

[eejit101]

Wow.

Thanks man.

Sincerely

[doorgod2]

great post sloeddie, much truth there