Quote Originally Posted by eejit101 View Post
Ill agree for the most part...

But!

Superturbos are etremely high variance. You usually risking your tourney life on 2 all in hands minimum, they are fun for sure, but the most profitable way of a good poker playing wining money? No.

Turbo SNGs are where its at.

I wont deny that ST's are a good way of making money if you can have the patience to fold A8 and similar hands early on and wait for a bigger one, or take some calculated gambles, but from a strictly ROI point of view, your standard Turbo SnG is the best ROI machine out there.
written by Poker Pro Jared Hubbard

Now that Cake has had super turbos for a while I decided to do a little research into attainable ROIs. I always assumed 1-2% was probably the highest attainable ROIs in the long run. I took a collection of players I considered good to figure out my #s. I think the results will surprise some people. Among these good players, they had played a total of 23,081 super turbos. Their average stake was $96.83 & their average ROI was just 0.274%! This should be an eye opener to those of you running at 2% or above over thousands of games. It’s extremely unlikely that your true ROI is actually that high. Super turbos can still be very profitable because of their length of time & rakeback, as long as you can handle the sick variance that comes with them. You will have negative ROI stretches over huge lengths of time. Hopefully people will start to realize the importance of table selection in super turbos. Games can become unprofitable much quicker than in regular turbos. Unless you have a rakeback deal like me on Cake (you don’t) there’s really no excuse for not using good table selection in super turbos. Too often I see games w/ the likes of 2 or more players like HappyLucky, buttabiscuit, JuneTLBKilla, odinnnn, avkalang608, etc… & it’s just ridiculous. I’m sure most of you have read my entry on table selection and variance. If not, you should do so now:


Super turbos are fun but like Eejit said you risk everything on 2 all in hands.
I also found that you must play the first 4-6 hands no matter what cards you have, if no one raises. Why? Because the levels go up every 2 hands and the 4-5 level blind will be more than the first 4-6 hands combined.
Do your math. Important to understand this.

ROI of 0.274% = break even