The Weekly Debate - Religeon

[eejit101]

Right, i got bored, and decided to see how intelligent at debating we all are.

Ill start one each week, and pick a topic, and we can discuss.

Disclaimer - I shall edit i find anything persecuting, racist, or generally not suited for the discussion in this thread. You have been warned!



Right, religeon.. (rmember, this is opinion, some facts, and its not aimed at anyone)


Facts - The country i live in is 99% Christian as far as i know. Its also mianly white.

Another Fact - Christianity was invented in Rome in about 400AD (give or take) at a council to try and find a way of uniting the 2 hoardes in Rome that if left undone, would have killed the Roman empire.

There was a huge meeting, where everything from Christ's immortality to the names of his disciples were discussed. They incorporated images from other religions, like Halos from Egyptian gods for angels, the date of Dec 25th as Jesus's birthday was stolen from the December shortest date or whatever. Its all stolen and integrated well.


The bible is the most read book int he world. Its basically a story, with some carefully chosen advice, moral guidelines, and facts to live by to assign yourself to that faith if you so choose.


Now we are all sensible, and we all know this. But many many of us still follow it. Many believe of the Adam and Eve story, though science now proves it 99% to be wrong.


Now personally, i have no idea what to believe. Id love to think there was an all powerful bing watching us all, caring for us, answering prayers, but i just cant without proof.

I am very open minded, I'd love to have faith in something, anything, as all in all i think it doesnt matter who you have faith in, as long as you have some? does that make sense?



That being said, i still wish for things something, and want someone to answer. IS that a plea for proof, acceptance, guilt?? Who knows.


Discuss!

[taylovesthebeatles]

I'd like to take a moment to add a few thoughts after reading some of the other opinions here.

As a Christian, I will be the first to admit that there are many, many "Christians" who truly believe that they understand what it means to believe in God and live a Christian life, but who really give the rest of us a bad name and rap to the rest of the world. It's definitely out there, and I've seen it, which is one of the main reasons I became a Lutheran. So many people have judged me and others for what they see as a lack of "religious responsibility" for lack of a better term. According to these "Christians", other Christians are only considered as such if they go to church a certain percentage of time, have certain political beliefs, contribute to certain charities or participate in proselytising a certain amount, etc etc. Basically centered on works not faith, and anyone who falls outside of their pre-determined "definition" of Christianity is not deemed worthy enough to be a Christian. I am a firm believer that only God knows the true hearts of His people, and it is not our place as humans to judge one another on the strength of their religious faith according to their deeds, especially in Christianity. As I said in my earlier post, there is no need for salvation or for God for the Christian if humanity can make a difference in it's salvation. Truth is, we can't, and no amount of good deeds or bad deeds ultimately decides that. Lutheranism especially makes a huge distinction between Law and Gospel, and this is how that principle is applied-following the Law can only get you so far, but for Lutherans, as for all Christians, it is the Gospel that has the power to save.

I should also point out that the idea of enjoyment in life and living for the moment is not incompatible with Christian teaching by any means. On the contrary, Christians are encouraged to find joy in life, and as I stated before, good works alone will not affect salvation for the Christian. If someone's faith is strong and has a solid foundation, then good works will flow from that, and therefore joy from doing the work of God in their lives, but on their own these good works are nothing. So, any "Christian" who tries to tell you it's not okay to live life to the fullest is being silly.

If anyone has any questions for me, feel free to ask!

[eejit101]

Not bad, if your quoting someone though please tag who said it first.


And i guessed the figured for the UK as i said, i was including everyone who wasnt muslin or jewish or anything, forgetting people who dont tick any box (agnostic/atheist).


Also regarding the census, not everyone fills it in. So the numbers are always off.


And im not going to argue your beliefs, in any way. I just wanted to know what true believers say to the fact the bible was writting in 400AD by some romans to unite some rampaging people??

(again, not insulting)

[KaciBlakely]

I thought I quoted all the versuses. And I did mention I googled to find the info about the census and percentages. I thought I did everything right.

And the Bible is all about interpretation but some of it can be off because of language barriers but for the most part I believe it can be proven with science.

[eejit101]

You wrote all that? Fair enough.

[GloBug]

who knows what the date and times were for those things. its been interpreted so many times that things change everytime. it like have 10 people line up and tell the 1st one something and by the time it gets to the 10th person its all wrong. show me some physical evidence then i will believe. the only faith i have is in myself and family and friends. those are the people that help when time are rough. (even u people here at ndn) there is no higher being. for u to believe that a higher being is getting u thru the tough times i think that is just a cop out. it takes away the truth of reality of being on your mind. so it makes it easier on you when nothing has changed. kinda puts u in denial i think. y is there the new testament and the bible and all that stuff. who said write a new testament? God. if so tell him i want his phone number so i can talk to him. oh wait i can google it. oh wait no i cant because he doesnt exist today. i do believe that he was alive back then but he was like a king in way to the people he served. as for adam and eve. thats a bunch of BS. i dont believe it one bit. well ididnt want to go this route but i felt like i had to. im speaking my mind people speaking my mind. thats all no harm done.

[GloBug]

You spelled religion wrong!

It's R-E-L-I-G-I-O-N .

Just thought I would give you that helpful advise and this thread has so many things I have to comment on.

Here is this though and I'll make a better post about my opinion later on.

forgive him he from THE UNITED KINGDOM of EEJIT. lick it.

[freeringo]

I'd like to take a moment to add a few thoughts after reading some of the other opinions here.

As a Christian, I will be the first to admit that there are many, many "Christians" who truly believe that they understand what it means to believe in God and live a Christian life, but who really give the rest of us a bad name and rap to the rest of the world. It's definitely out there, and I've seen it, which is one of the main reasons I became a Lutheran. So many people have judged me and others for what they see as a lack of "religious responsibility" for lack of a better term. According to these "Christians", other Christians are only considered as such if they go to church a certain percentage of time, have certain political beliefs, contribute to certain charities or participate in proselytising a certain amount, etc etc. Basically centered on works not faith, and anyone who falls outside of their pre-determined "definition" of Christianity is not deemed worthy enough to be a Christian. I am a firm believer that only God knows the true hearts of His people, and it is not our place as humans to judge one another on the strength of their religious faith according to their deeds, especially in Christianity. As I said in my earlier post, there is no need for salvation or for God for the Christian if humanity can make a difference in it's salvation. Truth is, we can't, and no amount of good deeds or bad deeds ultimately decides that. Lutheranism especially makes a huge distinction between Law and Gospel, and this is how that principle is applied-following the Law can only get you so far, but for Lutherans, as for all Christians, it is the Gospel that has the power to save.

I should also point out that the idea of enjoyment in life and living for the moment is not incompatible with Christian teaching by any means. On the contrary, Christians are encouraged to find joy in life, and as I stated before, good works alone will not affect salvation for the Christian. If someone's faith is strong and has a solid foundation, then good works will flow from that, and therefore joy from doing the work of God in their lives, but on their own these good works are nothing. So, any "Christian" who tries to tell you it's not okay to live life to the fullest is being silly.

If anyone has any questions for me, feel free to ask!

Tay, I wanna hold your hand.
Will Kaci and Eejoy join us? Globug too? Lets all hold hands and try to make Heaven on Earth. Who will join us?

[GloBug]

Tay, I wanna hold your hand.
Will Kaci and Eejoy join us? Globug too? Lets all hold hands and try to make Heaven on Earth. Who will join us?

im there u feel my hand. dam i need some lotion my skin is kinda dry. any one got some. i know u ladies do. lol

[taylovesthebeatles]

im there u feel my hand. dam i need some lotion my skin is kinda dry. any one got some. i know u ladies do. lol

I don't have any. You should ask Jeff Dunham.

[GloBug]

I don't have any. You should ask Jeff Dunham.

lol ill do that. thanks

[PANAMHIEST]

By faith we understand the word and work of God—Faith of the ancients was centered in Christ—By faith men subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, and worked miracles.

This is a quote from hebrews chapter 11 verse 1

Now I am a firm believer in god and jesus chritst and that he died on the cross for our sins. I have faith in my life. If someone decides not to believe and have faith, and it comes down to judgement day, as in the book of revelations, then what? You have a free will to chose what you have faith in, but free will is what cast adam and eve from the gardens eden no?Decide for yourselfs if you want to come into glory, or if you want to face the fiery wraths of hell. It is better to belief in something than nothing at all isnt it?

If anything have faith in something my friends, because just as the wise verse above states, by faith men have subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness and worked miracles!

[KaciBlakely]

forgive him he from THE UNITED KINGDOM of EEJIT. lick it.

So there's no correct spelling in The United Kingdom of Eejit?

I don't have a problem I was just letting him know, not being rude or anything.

LOL on the lick it.