I'm going to address this with my thoughts a little later tonight.

The idea of this thread came from discussions between eejit101 and myself about the various plays that are in the title of this thread.

Basically, eejit101 has started to use these plays too often and in some bad spots, and I don't use these plays often enough.

So we're hoping that we can use this thread to better both of our own games, and in the process help everyone else by getting a good discussion going.

Stay tuned for my comments, and please let everyone know your own thoughts as well!