ok what happens when i raise 5x the bb and get a call by Ax and the flop hits an ace...i am folding the hand then....and only left with 10x the BB??? short stacked and gotta shove soon....i would rather get my money in preflop vs Ax with KK and let them only have 3 outs...or if its A weak they prolly fold for 15xthe BB....idk many ways of playing it....in this situation 5 betting them shoving woulda worked....either way he has way behind...and i got my money in way good...whay was q j off calling a 15 bet anyways???? any you think they fold thier 2 overs for 10x the bb postflop??? exp if the called 15z the bb with q j off preflop???