Wimps drawing out of position

[vickid]

hey, kings, hang on....

What blinds are you playing at here, and whats the effective stacks??

Firstly - Raising 46suited is generally insane, yes by all means in tournaments, thats different, but in a cash game id strenuously suggest not raising that hand. Cant believe im the first person to say that but ok...


Anyways, You flop the flush. The flush you have is not the nut flush, or anywhere near it. The villain in this hand flops top pair top kicker, and the NUT flush draw. That part is key.


As of now, he has 9 outs for the flush, 3 outs for 2 pair, and 2 outs for trips.

Now, as im a genius, if i left it at that youd come back and say "but i had 2 of his club outs so he only had 7 outs, and then i have 2 of his outs as my straight flush outs". And im right!!!

HOWEVER, the villain here does not know your hand. You have have KcKh. QQ. A set. Two pair. To be honest 2 clubs is unlikely for you to be holding. Only KQc, and possibly K10/Q10.


The reason for this is the fact that you (this is just an opinion) raised preflop with a garbage hand, pays off in this case as you disguised what you hit.

And after that being said, you do realsie this is one of the ONLY flops that can possibly occur when you can stack this guy? The fact you didnt doesnt matter. Its the %'s you had when the money went in.

Im going to work this round here.... and see what you think.


(and im writing all this so bear with me if it sucks)

PokerStars Game ID123837192873187
NLHE Blinds $0.05/$0.10 6MAX Table name - blowitoutyourblowhole

Seat1: eejit101 $10
Seat2: kingsnthahole $10
Seat3: idontcare $6.55
Seat4: JessicaAlba $230
Seat5: Shootmenow $5.12
Seat6: iloveleet: $13.37
iloveleet posts the small blin $0.05
eejit101 posts the big blind $0.10
DEALT TO EEJIT101 - Ac Jd.
Kingsnthehole Raises to $0.35
Everyone else folds.
eejit101 calls $0.25
FLOP - Jc 3c 5c.
eejit101 checks
kingsnthehole bets $0.80
eejit101 calls $0.80 So far IMO im playing this fine
Turn - 5h
eejit101 checks
kingsnthehole bets $8.85 ????????????????????????? (im now assuming your not full stacked)
eejit101 calls $8.85
River 8c
eejit101 wins $19 with an Ace high flush
Kingsnthehole shows a Jack high flush.




Lets now analyze that. My read on you if i was the villain, is you have a Jack, Some kind of over pair possibly.

Summing up, i think you got paid off because the play was so...... bad? It appears you pushed all in with a hand when a possible scare card his the turn, and with draws out there, so you pushed to avoid making any decisions that are tricky. He might have a better flush, he might have quads, a boat, or trips. He might have what he has.


But think about this, if you bet $1.40 on the turn and he calls. Your still commiting him into a large pot if the turn is a safe card (as in Kh or somehting) and you can still extract value from the river, and what your NOT doing is getting all your chips in when your not even certain your ahead (im saying that as youve given us no info you had any possible reads, and calling the flop bet and preflop isnt ANY indication on what anyone holds). By pushing the turn your setting youself up to losing the biggest pot possible, and eliminating the chances of winning a larger one with alot less risk.

Wow that took ages

well that


is some sound advice

kings this was cash game eh wow

i agree with wat my eejit is saying here and sometimes i tend to listen to him when hes railing my table

but i would of half pot bet the turn and seen the river as he said he is commited to a larger pot and might have even folded who knows but the all in look like a scared move to steal the pot in my eyes and i would of called with top pair top kicker and nut flush the half pot bet would of made me think for a min but i would of called depending on how your table image was and other nonsence that happens but this is great advice and stuff i need to work on besides my spelling is not getting over commited into a pot when im unsure if i have the better hand something i am getting better at day in and day out but your advice eejit has been alot of help on the felts for me

[kingsnthahole]

.05/.10 nl 9 handed on carbon,
and the only reason i raised that was because i hadn't took a flop in two times around the table, and yes i got got crafty on him, but i know im def not bettin min on that flop with position, i wan't him to commit his stack here at all cost, thats my philosiphy, it didn't work out this time, but almost 80% to win that hand on the turn, i have no probs committing myself to that pot.