Wimps drawing out of position

[vickid]

Lol, thats why i show what i show, you never know what i have.


And there is a HUGE difference between reading someone for a pocket pair, and reading someone for 56 suited.

Pocket pair covers 13 hands. And is normally easy to do, well, easyish. Certain hands have blatent styles...

e.g Your dealt 66 UTG+1. You limp, 5 ppl call. Someone raises to 3 x BB, your getting huge odds and implied odds, you obv call. That is normally a low pair, or some kind of suited connector/weakish ace/KQ. Thats when your flop reads come in.

56 = near impossible. I would be the first to say if that read he made is true, you should be world famous by now

hahah true very true

the guy just blantley dosent know what he is talking about

[eejit101]

Edited that as it made no sense, you messed up the quote...

And he does know what he is talking about, other posts are fine, i just dont get HOW this read is possible

[kingsnthahole]

listen guys/gals, the heading of the post is WIMPS, i like to follow the rule from rounders that if you cant pick out the fishes at the table within the first like 15-20 mins, you are the fish...granted, i agree with you if flop the nuts, yes it works well, but in ONLINE poker how often do you flop the nuts? the only thing as far as tells we get, is when people flip over hands, once you see a few hands and how the person plays when theyre in a hand, i STRONGLY feel that you can put them on a pretty tight range...

with that said, the flush draw was very obvious to me...the person was a nit, and a fish...the straight draw, the reason i said if any 8,3,5, or 6 comes im folding, im giving him credit for possibly a gutshot as well as 5,6...but the way the hand played out, and the caliber player he was told me what he had on the river by the way he bet...i too value myslef on my reading abilities, and i by no means go after good players in a hand like this, as they are MUCH MUCH harder to read.

one last thing...you actually min bet with KJ(top pair, K's)???
im sorry man but thats a terrible play, with a hand like KJ, i like to bet 2/3-3/4 to see where im at in the hand...i've seen many a donk limp with AK...and i myself only limp with KQ, with multiple players who limp in front of me.

[eejit101]

one last thing...you actually min bet with KJ(top pair, K's)???
im sorry man but thats a terrible play, with a hand like KJ, i like to bet 2/3-3/4 to see where im at in the hand...i've seen many a donk limp with AK...and i myself only limp with KQ, with multiple players who limp in front of me.

What? Where did i say that?????

[DINGO8MYBABY]

I'm just tired of people drawing without pot odds with a hand like K-xs or Q-xs or even J-xs which they never should have played in the first place (expecially limping in from early position Shortstacked), lucking out, and then thinking they know a damn thing. I want to bite these luckboxes, throw them in kiddie pools and shock them with cattle prods. Carbon Poker is chock full of them, and no they don't all come from Romania (though that doesn't seem to hurt).

[kingsnthahole]

i agree with you 100% dingo, however, i have found that if you keep the pots small, and give a little here and there...it sets up for you to get paid off on your big hands on Carbon...kinda like baiting a little baby with candy leading into a swimming pool, and then splash, theyre drowning...i honestly like sitting at a table knowing that i'm probably the best player there or the second best, its a psychological edge, and its a strategic edge...

for example, two days ago i 3.5bet to an unopened pot with 4c6c...and i got one caller in the BB, flop comes 3 clubs J 3 5, sweet, i flopped the flush w/ the belly to the straight flush...i bet the pot to make it look like i didn't want someone drawing to the flush...guy snap calls out of position, based on what i saw he probably had the A or K of clubs with another pair or maybe a hand like Kq offsuit with one club...anyways, turn brings a 5 of hearts, ok he could have slow played a set here but i didnt think he would have given the flop of 3 clubs, he prob would have check raised me on the flop, or bet big right off the bat...so i overbet the pot and shoved all in, HE SNAP CALLS with Ac Jd...all of his chips on a ace high flush draw with only 5 clubs that help bc of my straight flush draw, one of 2 remaining jacks, or 2 remaining 5's gives him the full house

the odds, on the flop, i'm 77% favorite to win....
on the turn im a 79.55% favorite...

and ofcourse the river is the 8 of clubs...giving him the ace high flush....im sorry but im folding that hand with just an ace high flush draw and a backdoor draw to the boat...but i would take that call all day because 8 out of ten time by the turn you know your getting doubled up if he calls...oh well, i'm still alive, i lost about 8 bucks on that pot...just another example of a bad call based on pot odds, the only way i call there is if i already have the flush or obviously if i flopped a set and turned a boat...ONLY WAY I CALL there for my whole stack...granted i didn't play the hand traditionally and kept it small, but i flopped a flush and i wanted to get paid off by a donkey...

[thenutzaa1]

i agree with you 100% dingo, however, i have found that if you keep the pots small, and give a little here and there...it sets up for you to get paid off on your big hands on Carbon...kinda like baiting a little baby with candy leading into a swimming pool, and then splash, theyre drowning...i honestly like sitting at a table knowing that i'm probably the best player there or the second best, its a psychological edge, and its a strategic edge...

for example, two days ago i 3.5bet to an unopened pot with 4c6c...and i got one caller in the BB, flop comes 3 clubs J 3 5, sweet, i flopped the flush w/ the belly to the straight flush...i bet the pot to make it look like i didn't want someone drawing to the flush...guy snap calls out of position, based on what i saw he probably had the A or K of clubs with another pair or maybe a hand like Kq offsuit with one club...anyways, turn brings a 5 of hearts, ok he could have slow played a set here but i didnt think he would have given the flop of 3 clubs, he prob would have check raised me on the flop, or bet big right off the bat...so i overbet the pot and shoved all in, HE SNAP CALLS with Ac Jd...all of his chips on a ace high flush draw with only 5 clubs that help bc of my straight flush draw, one of 2 remaining jacks, or 2 remaining 5's gives him the full house

the odds, on the flop, i'm 77% favorite to win....
on the turn im a 79.55% favorite...

and ofcourse the river is the 8 of clubs...giving him the ace high flush....im sorry but im folding that hand with just an ace high flush draw and a backdoor draw to the boat...but i would take that call all day because 8 out of ten time by the turn you know your getting doubled up if he calls...oh well, i'm still alive, i lost about 8 bucks on that pot...just another example of a bad call based on pot odds, the only way i call there is if i already have the flush or obviously if i flopped a set and turned a boat...ONLY WAY I CALL there for my whole stack...granted i didn't play the hand traditionally and kept it small, but i flopped a flush and i wanted to get paid off by a donkey...

i agree with both of you.............

I cahsed out 950 worth of chips to NDN and got 5 bucks to my carbon account....i played soo drunk one night that i tripled it to 15 bucks because i didnt care about the 5 bucks.

anyways i sat down at a heads up table with my 15 and this guy had $25 bucks.

he chased me down when i had top set with a j5 flush draw. and he hit it on the river and then pushed all in. i laughed at him and folded and showed it when i had half my stack invested.... well he said thank you to me.......


20 min later i lefted with all of his money he had on the table and he bought back in for 50 bucks.....i was laughing and said thank you and sat out.

but a lot of people do chase that flush on carbon.....i deff. agree with that.