Wimps drawing out of position

[kingsnthahole]

i make a decent amount of my stack in either tournaments or cash tables by targeting wimps. One of THE biggest things i've picked up on especially at the cash tables is drawing wimps, these fish that MIN BET a flush draw or a straight draw OUT OF POSITION...soo easy to spot

be advised these people are mostly donkeys, so if you raise be prepared to get called

common scenario i see every day, I have Qc6c in late position, all limpers...flop comes down Ks 9s 3h...check, check, guy/girl bets .10 into a pot of .60...umm yea lets isolate this wimp right now...so i reraise to .60 make sure noone have a strong king, fold around, guy snap calls...ok hes got the Ace hi flush draw, from where he limped in mid position i put him on a range of A4spades to A7spades, turn 6d...dude STILL bets out min, i snap call...river 2d...at this point he tries to get cute on me and bets half the pot..i know im good here but given there are 2 overs i think the pot is big enough, even if im 99% on my read...so i smooth call and he flips up A3 of spades, min betting a pair and a flush draw the whole way...and i take down a 3 dollar pot with a pair of 6's...

another scenario...
i get dealt T9o in the cutoff seat, 4 limpers in front of me...limp, checks around, flop comes 4 7 9 rainbow...SB/bb both check and utg bets min .10, DUHHH 56s??? haha, so again i reraise knowing that if an 8, 3, or maybe even if a 5 or 6 hit im probably check/folding...so i reraise to isolate because theres only one thing worse than one donkey drawing, and thats multiple donkeys drawing...after a successful isolation another 9 falls on the turn...and my what a fearless donkey this guy is, ANOTHER MIN BET...dude, seriously? i reraise AGAIN, and another snap call...river 3, he checks...for what i dont know, i even played with him, and requested time, and typed, "NICE CATCH, I KNOW YOU HAVE 56...i have trips and im checking to you because i know you have 56,why did you check??? calling the whole way to hit a 15% draw on the river?"...and i check and he flipped up 56 offsuit...i wasn't mad, heck, it made the whole table laugh as well as myself, and i walked away from the table up 3x the max buy in...

so next time you get a donkeytonk betting min at you, look at the board and figure out what draw hes on and take advantage!!! and for all you donks looking to improve your game, don't min bet...like ever, it's a weak play, and often when you do have a monster looking for action, noo-one has a hand and they fold because its just as cheap...the ONLY only time i min bet is when im heads up cash/tourney...because the pots are usually alot smaller when your only playing against one person.

gl on the felt,
Mike

[eejit101]

Lol, im sooooooooooooooo gonna disagree entirely.

Firstly, min betting works awesomely. Just TODAY i flopped the abolsute nuts, and bet the min on the flop in mid position, afte 2 checks, knowing id get callers and reraises, and that they would simply assume i would be playing top pair, or a good draw this way, to try and stem the betting before it gets mad.

Secondly, The first hand.... How the hell can you assume that range? Looking at the play from a retrospective angle, lets assign a range. Any flush draw behaves that way. ANy low kickered king does, up to and including KJ or maybe KQ. Trips plays this hand that way, your making the action come to him.

Second hand, the flop is 4 7 9. He min bets, you instantly assign 56.

If that is true, and im not being disrespectful, i just dont believe that can be possible, i will happily fly there and introduce you to any famous poker player i can meet, as you are 10x better than them at reading.

I think my strongest aspect of poker is reading, and from my posts here i know the reads i make sometimes are impressive and others have learnt and commented on them.

However this is WAY beyond anything i can read. Its technically impossible to assign a certain hand from a min bet on the flop.


If you can play me or NDN heads up, or at a cahs game, for say 25 minutes, and perfectly read a single one of our hands after the flop has come down, ill send you all my chips for a MONTH that i earn. Thats about $100.


Again, no hatred, i just think thats impossible, well i know it is

[vickid]

i totally agree with u ee but i have played heads up with ndn a few times and i have gotten great reads last time i knocked him out min raise pre flop i call i put him on pkt pair flop 484 i had 88 in my hand he check i check turn 4 he check i 2 times bet he raise i push he calls he shows 10 10 and both times i have been heads up with him i have won so dose this mean i get all ur chips for a whole month hahaha

jk and ur hard to read eejit u push all in with j2 off suit then get aces 2 hands later and kill my ace q suited hearts boooooooooooo after i was killing tourney i put u on pockets but jj or even qq not aces

[eejit101]

Lol, thats why i show what i show, you never know what i have.


And there is a HUGE difference between reading someone for a pocket pair, and reading someone for 56 suited.

Pocket pair covers 13 hands. And is normally easy to do, well, easyish. Certain hands have blatent styles...

e.g Your dealt 66 UTG+1. You limp, 5 ppl call. Someone raises to 3 x BB, your getting huge odds and implied odds, you obv call. That is normally a low pair, or some kind of suited connector/weakish ace/KQ. Thats when your flop reads come in.


56 = near impossible. I would be the first to say if that read he made is true, you should be world famous by now

[vickid]

Lol, thats why i show what i show, you never know what i have.


And there is a HUGE difference between reading someone for a pocket pair, and reading someone for 56 suited.

Pocket pair covers 13 hands. And is normally easy to do, well, easyish. Certain hands have blatent styles...

e.g Your dealt 66 UTG+1. You limp, 5 ppl call. Someone raises to 3 x BB, your getting huge odds and implied odds, you obv call. That is normally a low pair, or some kind of suited connector/weakish ace/KQ. Thats when your flop reads come in.

56 = near impossible. I would be the first to say if that read he made is true, you should be world famous by now

hahah true very true

the guy just blantley dosent know what he is talking about

[eejit101]

Edited that as it made no sense, you messed up the quote...

And he does know what he is talking about, other posts are fine, i just dont get HOW this read is possible

[thenutzaa1]

nice post..............which poker site were you playing on............

the only time i min bet is first to act pre flop...........i am prob. min re raising with a monster so i am hoping for a re raise...........

nice reading your table and way to finish up 3x the max buy in..........

good work

[thenutzaa1]

I would love to take that bet with you eejit................

play heads up for 25 min and call out "only" one of your hands on the flop.


i think i can get one atleast one.........

[eejit101]

Has to be an exact hand though...