wow I'm surprised no one has seaid full tilt... its kinda disturbing, thats pretty much all i play on. I figure that and pstars are the most trusted so why play on anything else. I keep heading about reffer poker and PDC poker and all that, i just figured that they were newbies and that they wouldnt offer the same things that tilt and stars do, and i just assumed that their cashouts would be chitty. Between having read this thread, and the fact that NDN offer chips on these different sites, i think i should definately look into it. How is the traffic on these sites though, i play on doyles room sometimes ( which is one of these "new" sites) and there is only 10k poople at a time MAX. I jsut figure the more people on the site the less apt a site is to screw someone over, as they would probably lose a lot more than one of these smaller sites. but yea, stars and tilt... always has been always will be!