Help the Cowboy

[ffcowboy76]

This is not a hand that went very far, but I'm confused as to why he would fold. I'm not arguing about the results, seeing as I made money, but I would like input on what you think the player had. Here is the hand:

FTP $0.50/$1 NL
Seat 1: joker is wild1 ($39)
Seat 2: Kako14 ($147.35)
Seat 3: ffcowboy76 ($82.65)
Seat 4: Don_Perignon1 ($20)
Seat 5: jasons0147 ($101.35)
Seat 6: galasater ($72.10)
Seat 7: Merliin1 ($35.80)
Seat 8: random99 ($63.25)
Seat 9: G0N3 F15H1N ($188.15)
random99 posts the small blind of $0.50
G0N3 F15H1N posts the big blind of $1
5 seconds left to act
Don_Perignon1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ffcowboy76 [As Ac]
joker is wild1 folds
Kako14 folds
ffcowboy76 raises to $3.50
jasons0147 folds
galasater calls $3.50
Merliin1 folds
random99 calls $3
G0N3 F15H1N has 15 seconds left to act
G0N3 F15H1N raises to $18
ffcowboy76 raises to $36.50
galasater folds
random99 folds
G0N3 F15H1N has 15 seconds left to act
G0N3 F15H1N folds
Uncalled bet of $18.50 returned to ffcowboy76
ffcowboy76 mucks
ffcowboy76 wins the pot ($43)

What would you re-raise with as GON3 F15H1N that you wouldn't call the re-raise I put in?

Like I said, I'm happy to pick up the pot and was willing to call a push preflop, but I'm stumped as to what he would raise with and then fold to my re-raise.

[GloBug]

he was making a play is the only thing i can think of. wanted to by small pot. kinda wierd. still scratching my head. hmmm.

[knowledge]

i'm guessin that it was all about what happened on the previous hands/had he caught you bluffin/ had he lost 10 in row or whatever. Im certain it wasnt about that hand he was on a roll or on a tolt and wanted to entend it

[eejit101]

What he must have attempted is a squeeze play IMO, with a hand similar to AQ or JKs or something like a low pair. Seemed like a good time to do it as well.

So, if we assign a range to you, lets say 66+ and AJs+, maybe KQs.

Callers we are assigning any pair, any suited ace, or A7os+, KQ/KJ/QJ/ maybe QT/JT/KT.

The reraise we can assign a range similar to yours, but AA-99 usually, and suited AQ+, and off suit AK maybe.

In my opinions i might call here, and check/push any flop. You may get a 4way pot form this, and end up losing, but in my opinion this is one of the only times getting involved in a multi-way pot with AA is a good idea. Your EV is HUGE normally, Your about 50/50 given their ranges, as they should all be drawing to 2 outs, or some flush/straight draws is they have Ax or Kx.

IMO flat call, check when its your to act first on any flop. And if there is action push over the top. This way the MINIMUM pot you can win is about $90-$110. The max is $300-$500.

The only downside is you might get stacked, but it all comes down to odds, would u risk your stack on what is IMO a 50/50 at worst, to quintuple it???

IMO, check/call preflop. Check/all in on the flop.

[kingsnthahole]

he had AK suited and didnt want to see a flop, but you played it brilliantly...i cant see him laying down KK or QQ, maybe JJ, but he wouldn't have reraised you to 6 times your bet with JJ...nice hand

[Lilred36]

he was playing you I think more than the hand, or just hit the wrong button,lol.

[ffcowboy76]

To add a bit more information that the history didn't contain. I had seen about 50 hands at the table and had played maybe 15% of those hands. I called raises preflop only with quality hands and I think I had 1 goto a showdown that I won. I'm curious if you guys think I might of been something like QQ or JJ and I got a respect fold? Has anyone done that to another player? Is that even something that happens online?

[GloBug]

it was a bot.

[eejit101]

Negative on a Bot - NL Bots dont happen often.

And noone reads you that well after 6 hands played.

[GloBug]

Negative on a Bot - NL Bots dont happen often.

And noone reads you that well after 6 hands played.

lol u thought i was serious. come on eej. the guy was buying and folded.

[eejit101]

I know, just said that incase someone else figured u meant it and we had a whole new "poker bot" thread!

[GloBug]

I know, just said that incase someone else figured u meant it and we had a whole new "poker bot" thread!

o yeah i forgot about that.

[esmordan]

He preolly reraised with something liek a suit weak aces or 2 hi cards hoping to take down the pot right there. But one you fired a second bullet preflop he knew he was up again a very premium hand and descided not to risk the extra 18 bucks..

A sugestion for next time might be to just smooth call the reraise and play him postflop. If he hits the board it will be harded for him to fold his hand since he has 18 commited to the flop already. If you play percentages...the chaces of yer aces being cracked is worse then them holding up so this is a smart play if you are looking to take his whole roll. Unless u truely feel he has KK or QQ vs ur AA.

[$o$o$ucce$$ful]

This is a classic read you put on an overaggressive player. He was trying to steal the pot. He thought he could p ick up a big pot with a weak hand. Probably a weak ace or maybe even a hand like 78 suited. Classical donk play.

[ffcowboy76]

Eejit made a good point early on in this thread that I want to try to get more information from the membership about. Do you think that I should smooth called and then check/pushed on the flop?

Looking at the pot numbers, here is what the 2 players would of had to call against the pot. The pot at the point if I call with my second action was $41 ($3.50, $3.50, $18, $1. Now the next player is getting 2.8 to 1 to make a call ($14.5 into a $41 pot). If he calls the pot is now $55.50 and the SB player is getting 3.8 to 1 ($14.50 into a $55.50 pot) to make the call. Looking at those odds, I'm allowing some rather weak hands the "correct" odds to look to fish on the flop. What hands do you call a 3.5x bb raise with that gives you the correct odds to call an almost 3 to 1 reraise, for the first call after my raise. The small blind player is the really scary one. He was getting 2.66 to 1 to call the first raise and then even better odds to call the raise (at least 2.8 to 1, if not 3.8 to 1).

How many hands can you call a preflop raise with that has to "correct" odds to call with 2.66 to 1? Does anyone see a problem allowing them to odds to call and not making a second play when presented the option preflop? Not knowing what cards might flop makes this a hard decision. I'm a strong believer of winning smaller pots rather than losing a big one by allowing someone to see a flop that shouldn't of. Any thoughts?

[bkniefel]

How long were you at the table?

What was your action? Were you raising a lot preflop? Did you take some of his money and put him on tilt?

Besides these questions I would say he may have had low pair or even AJ suited. He could have just been trying to make a move on you. You can't blame him for raising as there were 2 callers on the 3.50.

Few people are able to fold after someone min's over the top.. I think that you should have waited and then called. That way, the raise on his end would have came to the other two. I'm guessing that they would have folded but you never know. In addition, he would have bet on the flop, possibly shoved if you checked with a flop having two suited cards.

Good news is that you took it down.

[eejit101]

If you smooth call here its asking for alot of trouble. Firstly your almost definatly in a 3way hand, and more often than not in a 4 way hand. Here, against say 2 lower pairs and KQs for example, your not a favourite against the board. You'll be, by a bit distance, the favouite in a 3 handed pot against specific players, same for 4 handed, but once your in a multiway pot, you can combine their odds of winning a hand so basically you HU vs the table. 4handed with AA is ok, but very very dangerous.

The good thing about it is that you can win a HUGE pot if everyone hits something. But getting 4 players all in on the same hand at the same cash table is generally once in a million. I saw it once, with 3 sets and a A high flush draw on a flop. And ive been playing 5 years nearly.

So my general theory is its fine to make it a multi action pot, but only if you fine losing or folding a premium hand.

As not many flops can hit where everyone gets a piece, and you wont fold to that many flops, maybe KKQ or something, its not the best of plays IMO. You wont extract that much more as some of them will havce underpairs, so unless it comes 2 4 6 and your against 99 and JJ, its unlikely.

In a dream world here 2 of them have KK, so a push here gets called anyway. More than likely with the action they dont, but anythings possible.

I prefer your line after working out the odds of winning and everything. Youll get caled by hands that will call most flops anyway. and with your line your guaranteed to be ahead when the money goes in, plus you cant LOSE the hand if they fold, and its not a bad pot to win.