Love this flop? Or hate this flop?

[$o$o$ucce$$ful]

PokerStars Game #25238015895: Tournament #142858079, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2009/02/22 16:02:43 ET
Table '142858079 7' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: dredfish (1145 in chips)
Seat 2: he 7 (1590 in chips)
Seat 4: ronxito (12000 in chips)
Seat 5: Johnnyka19 (3310 in chips)
Seat 6: a6packer (2625 in chips)
Seat 7: $o$ucce$$ful (2090 in chips)
Seat 8: Csyck Chief (295 in chips)
Seat 9: terryj75 (3055 in chips)
ronxito: posts small blind 30
Johnnyka19: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $o$ucce$$ful [Jd Ts]
a6packer: folds
$o$ucce$$ful: raises 180 to 240
Csyck Chief: folds
ronxito said, "ty"
terryj75: folds
dredfish: folds
he 7: raises 180 to 420
ronxito: folds
Johnnyka19: folds
$o$ucce$$ful: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [8s Th 9h]
$o$ucce$$ful: bets 1670 and is all-in
he 7: calls 1170 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (500) returned to $o$ucce$$ful
*** TURN *** [8s Th 9h] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [8s Th 9h Kc] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$o$ucce$$ful: shows [Jd Ts] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
he 7: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
he 7 collected 3270 from pot

[ffcowboy76]

I hate this flop everytime. You have a pair of tens with an average kicker. On top of that, your opponent could have the JQ and you are drawing to a split pot at best. I'm curious why you raised with JT off from early position with the stack you had? When you got reraised preflop, what did you consider your opponent to have or did you not think about that?

[$o$o$ucce$$ful]

I hate this flop everytime. You have a pair of tens with an average kicker. On top of that, your opponent could have the JQ and you are drawing to a split pot at best. I'm curious why you raised with JT off from early position with the stack you had? When you got reraised preflop, what did you consider your opponent to have or did you not think about that?

Put him on a hand like AK or AQ and wanted to see a flop. Started off trying tos teal the blinds. Anyways that flop i LOVED because those were the hands i put him on. even if he did have a hand like KK or AA ( like he did) i would have outs. any J 10 7 or Q....so i was willing to gamble.

[ffcowboy76]

In my honest opinion, I think the better play was to limp preflop, you are in too early a position to try to steal. When he raises, make a decision based on how much he raised. On the flop your push tells me that you missed the flop, even though I know you didn't. You bet almost 2x the total size of the pot. A better move might of been bet just pot and see what he does. More than likely he pushes and you have to call, so you end up in the same position.

I'm not one to tell people how to play poker, but in my opinion (and this is based on the few hands you have posted) you might want to tighten up your game a bit. You seem to be willing to call raises preflop with hands that don't warrant the calls you are making. If you would like to discuss how to go about this, feel free to send me a private message. I'm more than willing to help.

[eejit101]

1 - fold that preflop, or limp if you HAVE to play it
2 - IF you flop this, in no way are you normally ahead, even AQ is pretty much 50/50 with you (well it isnt, but its close-ish)
3 - From what ive seen ia gree with ffcowboy (as i seem to be doing alot)



However, unlike him, i am one to tell you how to play poker, and i dont care if it gets me hated. Please take a bit of time on this forum, and read some of the threads ive started in the general poker section, a couple may be of some use. Also check out any hand analysis threads.... Some good stuff by a number of people dotted around i the gerneal poker chat section.


And the flop bad is mad! Id lead for 80% of the pot here, and youd still call a push with your hand, TP avg Kicker, plus 2nd nut draw. Problem is, your also behind alot and i mean ALOT of hands.

Meh my thoughts anyways

(Def agree with FF on the tighten up thing)

[$o$o$ucce$$ful]

thanks for the feedback guys...im just ay oung gun who likes ot see a lot of flops and play alot of different hands!

[tomas225]

i had fold long tim e agow

[esmordan]

You have to like this flop...it may not be an all in flop but u just floped top pair a descent kicker and a redraw to the straight....i had a hand like this the other night at a cash game eccept i had 9 10 flop 9 76 guy bet 19 with AA i called and turned the 8 went all in for my measly 10 and th AA folded but another guy callled....i know he had AA cuz he was my best friend lol well gl at the tables