Was i spewing as chip leader? Or is this a good play with the flush draw out there?

[$o$o$ucce$$ful]

PokerStars Game #25237967118: Tournament #142858079, $0.25+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2009/02/22 16:01:34 ET
Table '142858079 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: dredfish (1145 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: he 7 (1620 in chips)
Seat 4: ronxito (5685 in chips)
Seat 5: Johnnyka19 (3730 in chips)
Seat 6: a6packer (2805 in chips)
Seat 7: $o$ucce$$ful (7775 in chips)
Seat 8: Csyck Chief (295 in chips)
Seat 9: terryj75 (3055 in chips)
he 7: posts small blind 30
ronxito: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $o$ucce$$ful [Td 8h]
Johnnyka19: raises 120 to 180
a6packer: calls 180
$o$ucce$$ful: calls 180
Csyck Chief: folds
terryj75: folds
dredfish: folds
he 7: folds
ronxito: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Th 7c 5h]
ronxito: checks
Johnnyka19: bets 240
a6packer: folds
$o$ucce$$ful: calls 240
dredfish has returned
ronxito: raises 960 to 1200
Johnnyka19: folds
$o$ucce$$ful: raises 6395 to 7595 and is all-in
ronxito: calls 4305 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2090) returned to $o$ucce$$ful
*** TURN *** [Th 7c 5h] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [Th 7c 5h 9c] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ronxito: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
$o$ucce$$ful: shows [Td 8h] (a pair of Tens)
ronxito collected 12000 from pot
$o$ucce$$ful said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12000 | Rake 0
Board [Th 7c 5h 9c 4h]
Seat 1: dredfish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: he 7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ronxito (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won (12000) with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Johnnyka19 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: a6packer folded on the Flop
Seat 7: $o$ucce$$ful showed [Td 8h] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: Csyck Chief folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: terryj75 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[ffcowboy76]

Ok. I don't know any of the players at your table so this is a read free analysis of what transpired. I might come off as mean, but please, don't take it that way. What the hell were you thinking as you clicked the all in button? Did you honestly think a pair of ten's was the best thing that could be out there? The check raise from the early position player should be a warning. It's a move I both see alot and make alot. If someone behind you raises it's almost always checked to the raiser, then everyone acts after he makes his action. When the early player check raised he was looking to see if anyone hit a small set. If you hit the small set, you would of raised the pot when it was your action, too much could end up hurting you. The smooth call, raise action you made doesn't make much sense as I look at it. If the player is willing to raise with 2 players already in, he is probably willing to commit his whole stack.

This is a hand that I would of folded preflop. I don't live and die by the EV of hands, but I am 99% sure this is a negative EV hand. You wanna avoid the negative EV hands to a raise 100% of the time.

[esmordan]

first thing i woukld say is that 10-8 offsuit isn't a good hand to be limping with even if you are the chip leader. Lots of stacks can do damage to yours lime what happened Wait for more premium hands then wittle the short stacks till they are out...pick on sort stacks not of people with chips. As fr the flush draw....if someone wants to shove a flush draw vs u let them do it alll day....they have 9 outs and u had a heart in yer hand so 8 outs you are a statisical favorite vs a flush draw

[knowledge]

yeah to me it looks as though in this game you had a long day of playing and were looking for something amazing to happen that the oods tell you just wasn't gonna. I am anxious to see how eejit would respond it is a good question for a bad play in my opinion.

[eejit101]

I heart ffcowboy.

He said what id say.

To sum up.

1 - As played, your beating nothing. A pair of Tens here is good maybe 0.1% of the time.

2 - Fold preflop. Why play T8? I hate people saying "it was suited", bu it wasnt even suited!!!

3 - Lets look at Odds. Your T8 is in a multi-way pot, with you calling its 3-way minimum. We can assign the UTG raiser a pretty solid hand, 99+, ATs+ and similar. Unless he sucks. T8 = 30% to those hands MAX. Add on the other caller - your down to about 15%. So calling 33% of a pot to have a 15% chance of winning it.... Not good.



This is close to as -EV as it gets, unless you play A7os into a 8handed pot.


Please play less hands!!!

Like cowboy - im not being mean, trying to help, but most of the hand histories youve posted here involving you playing hands you shouldnt.

My advice - play tighter

[knowledge]

eejit im glad this was your post. you do know what you are talking about even if i question it sometimes. I have been improving the game in my mind and it is showing in the chip counts. thanks to you, cowboy and a few others who i have been taking to heart. again thank you

[kingsnthahole]

let me tell you my thoughts as soon as a guy reraises me after i call a pot sized bet with only top pair out of position with T8...Hes got atleast top-top and my top pr 8 kicker is no good...easy fold here...and yes you were being too greedy too early on...