Ukash

[NDN]

Obvious chip dumps are obvious, but more sophisticated dumps are completely possible and require a trained security staff to detect-something I would not be comfortable trusting the same security team the violated the first rule of client-server security.

I have never seen an issue where unauthorized access to a poker account resulted in the permanent loss of money for the victimized player.

But you miss one of the other big reasons why this security flaw could be bad. We all know I use tracking software to improve my play, track my opponents play and display statistics regarding their play in order to aid my decision making process at the table. Many opponents don't like this, and choose to play at anonymous tables in order to avoid it. But if the process to create that anonymity is broken, and I am able to gather the same data and use it in the same way as I did at non-anonymous tables, I now have a truly unfair advantage over my opponent-as I appear anonymous to him but he does not to me, as he cannot purchase the same software that I have in order to level the playing field. And he's duped into a false sense of security because he believes that he is just as anonymous to his opponent as his opponent is to him.

Based on the article and accompanying video that you had posted, I still see zero cause for concern.

Wouldn't a person need to manually check each table to locate a "known" player and/or develop a program that would do that for them? If they have those kinds of capabilities, surely there are more lucrative ways in which to use their talents. And wouldn't they still have to be an extremely skilled poker player to even attempt to locate you and then subsequently win money from you at a poker table?

Not to mention, why would anyone go through all of the trouble when they can play at several online poker rooms that do not have anonymous tables?

Quite frankly, if Bodog/Bovada advertised their games as "somewhat anonymous except to those with advanced computer skills who use their talents to identify you and suck you dry" or something like that, I would still play there without hesitation.

[klinkman]

You are correct, someone with the capability to develop such a program would likely have more lucrative ways to use that talent. But selling such a program might just be that lucrative. Poker Edge HUD proves to me that there is a market for programs that circumvent a site's Terms and Conditions and give an unfair advantage to players willing to break them

For those who aren't familiar, Poker Edge is a program that screen scrapes as you play to get hand data, then uploads it to a shared database of all hands played by all users of the program, then downloads statistics on the players at your table based on the entire shared database of hands. This type of data mining is prohibited by every site's ToS, but as it is one of the only ways to use a HUD on Cake Poker, many of the grinders break the terms in order to use it.

Cake does now allow HUDs to be used on a per table basis, I have no idea what impact this has on the use of Poker Edge at cake.

[NDN]

I just don't see the evidence that a single player at Bovoda/Bodog has an unfair advantage over any other player.