I lost... Rant!

[ScareCrowAKA]

Im back to thinking online poker is Rigged... I just went on a massive run of BS that I weathered for a decent amount of time from making Ridiculous folds, that should be automatic calls/raises, if you know you are not getting set up... over the last hour I have lost w nut flush to a straight flush, where both his cards played... next hand KQ, Opponent KJ, flop KQ8-9-10... even shoved after the flop, cuz I knew this shlt was gonna happen, Guess he did as well... in between this shlt Im constantly dealt Ax on the button (6 handed) up against pairs in the blinds, sets in the window... Im not stupid, I know enough about math and statistics to realize, all this is a small sample in a large overall picture of poker hands dealt all over the world for hundreds of years... I understand suckouts, variance, etc... (I have played enoug live over the last 5 yrs to have seen some pretty unlikely BS there as well... I have played 12+ hour sessions live, seen many live hands... its not because u see more hands online... all this shlt happens within 70-80 hands online, everytime!)... its the situations that you are put in, to where it is obvious the system is trying its hardest to get all the chips into the middle of the table... Maybe people that play the tournaments dont see it, cuz usually u lose 1 or 2 big all ins and your out, but the cash games. i see this almost every session if I play over a hour or so... but I still continue to play and waste my money, probably getting scammed by some large system designed to do so... its my own fault... realistically, I should just treat online poker like the lottery, and only play huge playoff tournaments w low buy-ins

[ScareCrowAKA]

and ya, the odds are never to horrible preflop w any hand, your gonna have atleast 3 outs and 5 draws at it... in most situations, if all the money goes in preflop and the hand carried out til after the river, your still gonna around lose around 20% of time time unless one player is completely dominated... So, it could be bad luck, could be a rigged system, noway to prove it, cuz even I could easily design a system to where the odds work out mathematically to where they should be... but influence the outcomes with situational rigging

[eejit101]

Where are you playing. As i just spoke to a former boss of a site on the Dobrosoft network....

with some interesting info.

[ScareCrowAKA]

Intertops, which is cake... and the 2,0 client is so freaking slow, it has to be intrusively running like a million things on my system when its on... it even stays in the task bar after I close it... that puts me at suspicion right there as well. cuz I don't see a reason for that... I cant even surf the web while playing

[eejit101]

Hmm.

1 - The Dobro network is the cake network. Or a version of it. Its this that ive just learn from someone actually formerly in the industry was rigged!

2 - It wasnt rigged to see the flop, turn, river before its dealt. It was the same as AP super user account. But they had a team playing cash games. this was on the old PokerHost network.

3 - Your 20% figure is wrong. The actual figure is more like 35%. There are always mroe outs than you think. And, your not always as far ahead as you think.

4 - Ive tracked a hell of a lot of tournament hands while ive been playing. To be fair i dont really understand most of it, but I do understand win %.

My win % with AA was 87.5%. with KK was 84%. With AK was 69%. TT-QQ was over 65%.

Its all pretty standard. In true races (between 49-51% chance of winning) i was running at 47%. Which is below standard. But thats a given as i did run awfully for a while in flips.

So, believe the top bits if you want, but I got told this today. And i checked the guy out and he is legitimate. So i believe it. I just dont want to. He did say though that big sites dont do this. They make enough money without having to. But the option is always there i guess. Its just not worth them doing it to make what you gain from it. Stars rakes $5mil a day ffs

[ScareCrowAKA]

I based that 20% figure on averages... and being heads up... and was conservative w rounding... I could see that team thing happening, and those people being able to make calls based on "playing w house money" All these example I had, I was a decent sized favorite... you would think teams wouldnt make these moves, they would be overall losing, and what good does that do?... but if they had teams playing, why is it such a stretch to think the software is manipulated?

Poker Stars... I give them the Benefit of the doubt of being legit, they did everything right w the DOJ thing, seem like a respectable company, that wants to be legit...

just my intuition when playing, it feels like its setting me up to get involved in a big pot, everytime im up over 100% ROI

I would like to know for sure and meet some people in real life that make a consistent profit off of online poker, not players paid by the sites, not people who want to seem cool and lie, if I did, I would shut up... but Im pretty sure ,the only people that exist, that are UP on online poker, are people that won a big tournament or 2, and managed it well...

but maybe thats just poker in general... I win alot live, grind out some money off and on, but lifetime, am I up anymore than 50%? Hell NO!... so u figure if I have invested 50k in poker over 10 yrs (which I havnt, its an example) at these extremes... im basically up 208$ a month at 50% ROI!

[eejit101]

I know people who average 4 BB/100 over about 20million hands.

different stakes though. but still, profit.

[ScareCrowAKA]

ya, if u playing 5$ stakes, thats worth it... but Im just realizing, cash games under that stake, are worthless... probably should just play tournaments from now on... (unless u can like 10 table)

edit- maybe 2$ could be worth it as well

[ScareCrowAKA]

i guess if u 4 tabled at .50 1$ and averaged 3-4 BB a hour that could be worth it... thats 400$ invested each session... but to me thats not really "playing poker"

[eejit101]

I can 16 table SnG/MTT and 12 table cash.

Only issue is i dont win as much. My optimum level ive worked out is 8 SnGs.

[ScareCrowAKA]

haha, ya, Ive seen youtube videos of people 16 tableing, thats crazy... do u even think about anything, or is it just a quick glance... Im 54% to win this, shove... I like to watch patterns, etc... I think thats y I like playing live so much, I feel like I have developed awesome intuition... I think I could 3 table like 3 .50 1$ cash games if I tried, but not tournaments, if I was doing a tournament, I would want all my attention on it.

[Ringo]

haha, ya, Ive seen youtube videos of people 16 tableing, thats crazy... do u even think about anything, or is it just a quick glance... Im 54% to win this, shove... I like to watch patterns, etc... I think thats y I like playing live so much, I feel like I have developed awesome intuition... I think I could 3 table like 3 .50 1$ cash games if I tried, but not tournaments, if I was doing a tournament, I would want all my attention on it.

That's about as much fun as a butter eating contest

[ScareCrowAKA]

lol what part?

[eejit101]

I just play it on maths. I know the maths, as NDN will attest to, its just a case of running averagely and making profit.

[ScareCrowAKA]

thats pretty much the equivalant of betting on every game possible, all underdog moneylines

[eejit101]

Nah, its fun. Always in action! Plus i can only do it twice in a row, before i need a rest.

Oh, i was HU in 12 once. Timed out a couple of times lol