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[thenutzaa1]

Let me tell you some things before I post this hand!

I was playing a hour session on 3 tables at one time. Bought in for the max for 4 dollars each table. When this hand happen, here is the money I have at each table.

table one 6.75
table two 7ish
table three 4ish which is this hand.

Now basically I am freerolling with the 4 dollar table. Meaning if i lose this hand I can be up a little for the session.

greyduck Posts SB 0.02
HoneyBee24 Posts BB 0.04
thenutz12234 Raised to 0.08
shuggy37 Calls 0.08
OMGuTEHwinnar Raised to 0.40
greyduck Folds
HoneyBee24 Folds
thenutz12234 Calls 0.32
shuggy37 Folds
thenutz12234 All In 4.28
OMGuTEHwinnar All In 4.03
OMGuTEHwinnar Shows
thenutz12234 Shows
0.25 returned to thenutz12234 from pot 2
thenutz12234 Won 8.55 from pot 1 with Flush Ace High

[PANAMHIEST]

glad to see a nice winning hand, great river. you actually had a few more outs than him and prolly have about 9-11 outs twice going to turn and river, so not a shabby shot, and it payed off well. good job

[GloBug]

lol ur hand is what we all complain about. see it happens to everyone.

[thenutzaa1]

lol ur hand is what we all complain about. see it happens to everyone.

That is why i posted it!! I would like some input though. I did not feel like I was going to fold, SO i was going to the river, so why not get my money in.

[ffcowboy76]

WOW,

I'm going to try to temper this reply so I don't get in trouble. First and foremost, why do you play cash game? Is it for a quick score or is it to be profitable in the long run?

Now, on to the hand. (You are not going to like this one bit.)

I don't mind the open raise UTG with A9 suited, but it isn't a play I would make very often. UTG+1 calls and UTG+2 pops it to 5x your raise. That is about all I can say that is positive. You call the raise, which confuses me to death. Not sure why you commit that money with just A9 suited, but you did.

The flop comes ok for you, but you missed a HUGE hint to how far you were behind. When he pushes for 5x the pot, what were you thinking? Was it a call because you were up on your other tables? Was it a call because you thought you had the odds? Was it a call because you didn't know what to do? Was call because you thought you were ahead? I'm sorry, I can't be nice, WTF were you thinking making that call?

You are committing your ENTIRE stack on a 33% chance you MIGHT hit a club on one of the next 2 streets. That doesn't include any thought on what might hit that will still leave you second best.

Now, based on your post, I'm going to assume you called because you were ahead on your other two tables.

You made the call for the WORST possible reason there is. You obviously didn't consider what he could have vs what you have because I can see no reason to call that huge of an over push. The whole point of playing cash game is to have many small cashes over a long period of time. When comparing cash game players, you don't look at VP$IP, PFR, AF or any other stat. You look solely at BB/100 or BB/hour.

Here is my final piece of advise. Don't expect to make any money from cash game with your current methods.

[thenutzaa1]

I play cash game b/c I do not have time for long mtt and I get bored with low limit sit-n-go's.


Now why I called the all in.

- My read was he had top pair with a Q,J,10...Lets say my read was right I am 51.2% .....I call that all day.

-AM I a PRO........I dont think I am there yet so, I make this call because i thought I was at 51.2%

- Also sometimes a open push like that is a Strong play with weak cards!!!

Cowboy we are totally different players. I play a lot about feel! You seem to be more stats and odds. To you and some other players it may have been a bad play. AT least I did not call with nothing and hit runner runner or some sick beat.

Last thing I will say is the only reason I been Posting hands is b/c you ***** the other day about the forum not being active!!! well there you go.... I will not post another hand by me.....

[ffcowboy76]

Nutz,

I didn't post my comments to piss you off or to discourage you from posting hands for people to look at. My comments were made the way they were because it appeared that your call was based solely on how you were doing at the other tables. I felt the call was made because "I can afford the to drop the hand because I'm winning else where."

Now, on to the odds vs feel discussion. I have played 7 years of poker, with the last 3 being a serious cash game player. I played for a while by "feel" and wound up being a break even player. I found a few books that dealt more with math and less with "how to" and I've changed styles. Over the last few months I've turned a MINIMUM of $100 profit playing the 25nl game. While the profit isn't huge, I've averaged a 5bb/100 average, which most will tell you is huge. Imagine the profits if I were to maintain that average at $1/$2 NL.

I'm not saying I'm "god" on the cash tables, but I can say if you want to see serious, constant profit, the math way is the way to go. I'm working on learning some other programs to help show the value of ranging players and using odds to make calls. I would be happy to discuss this more with you.

[kingsnthahole]

First off, The other guy is a "ritard" for shoving 4 dollars into barely a 1$ pot. Secondly, if he shoves on the flop, i'm still calling there if i'm "freerolling" as you put it, even if I know he has trips. Which he easily could have with the re-raise pre-flop. I can guarantee with a flop like that, if he bets pot on the flop, you call, THEN he shoves on you with one card coming to hit your flush, you are folding....EVERYONE, this is how you get someone off their hand, not like this idiot shoving on the flop 4 dollars into a 1 dollar pot.

[nodepositneeded]

I'm not sure why people take such offense to replies/comments/advice.

If you are posting these hands, please keep an open mind with regards to any replies that are made and do not take offense to them.

[thenutzaa1]

I'm not sure why people take such offense to replies/comments/advice.

If you are posting these hands, please keep an open mind with regards to any replies that are made and do not take offense to them.

I am not mad, if my post seem that way...my bad.

[nodepositneeded]

Last thing I will say is the only reason I been Posting hands is b/c you ***** the other day about the forum not being active!!! well there you go.... I will not post another hand by me.....

Seemed mad to me! Otherwise there would be no reason not to continue posting your hands!

[klinkman]

I think I disagree with cowboy here. Rare that that happens. While I would never call a reraise UTG with A9 suited, Once I did I don't think I would fold to the overbet. Overbets like that are NOT usually big made hands (like it was here) but weak made hands such as Ax. Even if you assume his range is any set, any 2 pair, any top pair, I think this is a call getting 6 to 5. Of course, I'm more of a tournament player, and more people slowplay hands like top 2 early in tournaments and less people make big overbets, thus making me more inclined to want to call with top pair and a flush draw.

[targetguy1]

i love it..........everyone seem to think the have poker all figured out. poker is forever changing and is there truly a right and wrong way to have played this hand or any hand. everyone can argue both sides of the story and make good points for both side.

[OMGuTEHwinnar]

LOLOLOL this is what I get for googling my name

That was probably the funniest video i had ever made, though. I wish I could remember this hand specifically.

Why open shove the flop? I'm not calling any worse hands, the only hands calling you are hands that are behind you. Sure fish will call with less, weaker draws, etc. But, 9/10 the only hands calling you, are hands you are behind to.

NH, whatever, go buy yourself a cheeseburger, if it makes you feel proud to post bad plays on the internet, cheers! Btw, you bust your $40 BR yet?

[eejit101]

Lol at the above poster!