Apparently profit sharing = collusion

[targetguy1]

i finally got a couple hands from FTP and i must admit they do look shady but they can be explained very easy. one hand i timed out when i flop 2 pair, but if u look at any of my poker account i have timed out many times with good hand due to the fact i have 2 kids and **** happen i leave the computer. i can many time i folded AA preflop due to a time out. one hand i folded ak preflop 3 handed when terp shoved from the BB. it was a matrix game and i am almost certain i folded because i was not willin to risk my slim chip lead on a coinflip and finish 3rd and lose out on the matrix prize pool on a race as i put him on a PP. last time i checked a 3rd in a match and 3rd overall in the matrix doesnt pay as much as a 1st in a match and 1 or 2nd overall. i remember in a private game here when NDN 1 was the owner and i timed out heads up a few hands due to kids. if u look at the overall hand history u would see we were both are not shy to take each other out even if it was the bubble or first hand of the game.

overall most games we played together we lost money and didnt make make any money. we played games like this for months until i left for vegas and quit playing poker for the time being. if we were trying to cheat dont u think after the first week or even month of losing money we would stop. like NDN 1 said poker is a social game played with friends. its more comfortable playing with people u know and know that are real players. with so many different things out there and seeing some of the sick beats online it gives confront to know ur play with a real person.


i could honestly care less if full tilt gives us are accounts back as i am done with them. they have double standards there. if i recall last year one of the red pro's got his red pro status taken away for a few months for violation of T&C. If this is some normal joe that is a nobody and doesnt creates that much rake u just get ****ted on by them. all i would like to see is rich get him money back from them as it was his money and that money didnt come from these games as i said before we lost way more money then we have when we played in the same games.

[GloBug]

well i find this all to funny. i had a feeling that something would happen to u 2 as you guys play together way to much. i dont think u were colluding but to them it makes sense by the transactions and the hands. kinda sucks it happened but like twerp said he will be at stars now.

[PANAMHIEST]

I dont think think there is anything wrong with folding a good hand out of respect to a friend. Who wants to knocked their friends out? Now when we have our private games ya we are after each other like wild dogs, but thats what those are for, crazy competition amongst friends. When your playing against a table full of who evers and you run across a friend your not gonna try and take the friend out your gonna try and get everyone else. So if it is fulltilts policy that you cant have a poker crew or friends, that will do LL, profit sharing and loans/staking well then... that isnt cool at all.

[klinkman]

I dont think think there is anything wrong with folding a good hand out of respect to a friend. Who wants to knocked their friends out? Now when we have our private games ya we are after each other like wild dogs, but thats what those are for, crazy competition amongst friends. When your playing against a table full of who evers and you run across a friend your not gonna try and take the friend out your gonna try and get everyone else. So if it is fulltilts policy that you cant have a poker crew or friends, that will do LL, profit sharing and loans/staking well then... that isnt cool at all.

And unwittingly, you have clearly revealed the problem the site has. Softplaying, where you don't play your friends as hard as you do the others at the table, is a form of collusion and is prohibited by the terms of service at all major sites. When you play lots of games with someone, and you transfer funds back and forth to one another when one makes a score in a tournament, and then you make a questionable fold to your friend in the end stage of a sit and go, alarm bells trigger!

Now, one hand does not a compelling case make. And I clearly believe that they weren't even planning to softplay each other, Targetguy just made a bad fold and timed out once. I can't imagine a timed out hand proving anything, especially with someone who has a tendency to time out randomly, due to interruptions, bad connection, etc. The AK hand looks incriminating, as any resonably competent player would tell you that AK is well ahead of even the tightest player's shoving range 3 handed in the endgame of a sit n go, and therefore should be an instant call, even with the matrix pool dynamic in play. But I've misclick folded in similar instances as I'm sure everyone has, and therefore much more of a case needs to be built before banning someone and confiscating their funds.

Targetguy told me that there were many times where they busted each other on the bubble. Indeed if there are, those would seem to exonerate them, even in the eyes of site. When 2 people clash on the bubble of a sit n go, much of their combined equity goes to the other players at the table. Two colluding players would avoid clashing at all costs, which is what I'm sure the AK hand looks like.

[TerpZone]

So if it is fulltilts policy that you cant have a poker crew or friends, that will do LL, profit sharing and loans/staking well then... that isnt cool at all.

This is all allowed in the WSOP tour. I can't see how it wouldn't be allowed online.

[TerpZone]

lmao...stay classy, FTP:

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[targetguy1]

lmao...stay classy, FTP:

what a slap in the face that it. yeah we closed ur account and took ur money and by the way today we approved ur rakeback for the past week. what a joke

[TerpZone]

lol we approved a transfer so we could steal someone else's money, too!