Apparently profit sharing = collusion

[Ringo]

I am going to keep a careful eye on you 2 from now on.

[Ringo]

Seriously though
This is quite alarming because anyone that plays in a LL game is considered colluding with other players and can get their account
closed and lose all their money.
My question is, Can Full Tilt use posts on our forum as evidence of colluding?
If so, we can all be in big trouble someday.
Another reason why I only keep the min. bankroll on these poker sites.
They can steal your money anytime they want and you have no legal recourse what so ever.
I will support a FT boycott, just give the word.

[TerpZone]

They can steal your money anytime they want and you have no legal recourse what so ever.
I will support a FT boycott, just give the word.

My account was worth more than they will ever payout in 'compensation.'

So basically FTP gets free money. (granted less than I pay in rake every week)

[eejit101]

holy crap.

Im now worried!

[nodepositneeded]

Here is my take as a player who has deposited $25,000 in Full tilt this year.If 9 guys are playing at a table and 3 are going to share their money at the end of the game they may play a bit differently than the guy who is on his own.Also Full Tilt may think if you are sharing your money and know each other so well you may be sharing what cards you have.
Full Tilt has obviously made their position clear so I would not encourage you guys to be posting your ids or your plans to play games in public.Too bad that a couple of our regulars lost their FT account :(
I can ask John to full the security file and give us some feedback but for that I will need written consent from both players AND ANY LINKS where you guys have posted to set up the game ,chat etc .

Tracy

[eejit101]

What if they were stakes? Cant you claim that?

[targetguy1]

this is news to me. guess i better check my email. with out getting all the details i find this total BS as we are small stakes players who never tried to cheat to make profit nor where we trying to get rich overnight. To bad we werent a pro there cuz all they would do is take a red status away fro ma few months and slap us on the wrist. oh well looks like when i come back i will go to merge or cake.

FTP can suck a fat one.

[Ringo]

Here is my take as a player who has deposited $25,000 in Full tilt this year.If 9 guys are playing at a table and 3 are going to share their money at the end of the game they may play a bit differently than the guy who is on his own.Also Full Tilt may think if you are sharing your money and know each other so well you may be sharing what cards you have.
Full Tilt has obviously made their position clear so I would not encourage you guys to be posting your ids or your plans to play games in public.Too bad that a couple of our regulars lost their FT account :(
I can ask John to full the security file and give us some feedback but for that I will need written consent from both players AND ANY LINKS where you guys have posted to set up the game ,chat etc .

Tracy

Do we have anything to worry about at other poker rooms too?

[targetguy1]

Here is my take as a player who has deposited $25,000 in Full tilt this year.If 9 guys are playing at a table and 3 are going to share their money at the end of the game they may play a bit differently than the guy who is on his own.Also Full Tilt may think if you are sharing your money and know each other so well you may be sharing what cards you have.
Full Tilt has obviously made their position clear so I would not encourage you guys to be posting your ids or your plans to play games in public.Too bad that a couple of our regulars lost their FT account :(
I can ask John to full the security file and give us some feedback but for that I will need written consent from both players AND ANY LINKS where you guys have posted to set up the game ,chat etc .

Tracy

speaking for myself i dont see the point as if i was to get my account back i would refuse to play there like i refuse to play at ap/ub after the cheating going on there.

[targetguy1]

got the same email from terp but the didnt send me any hand history's i requested. so not sure what to think about it.

would think a good business practice would to send the proof of cheating to the banned members when u email them to inform them they were banned.

this is other reason i wish the US would pass online poker so the players have protection against these poker rooms. how can u just take someones money and close their account with out giving them the proof?

[TerpZone]

Here is my take as a player who has deposited $25,000 in Full tilt this year.If 9 guys are playing at a table and 3 are going to share their money at the end of the game they may play a bit differently than the guy who is on his own.Also Full Tilt may think if you are sharing your money and know each other so well you may be sharing what cards you have.
Full Tilt has obviously made their position clear so I would not encourage you guys to be posting your ids or your plans to play games in public.Too bad that a couple of our regulars lost their FT account :(
I can ask John to full the security file and give us some feedback but for that I will need written consent from both players AND ANY LINKS where you guys have posted to set up the game ,chat etc .

Tracy

Profit Sharing is not illegal.

In fact, it's done openly during the WSOP ME every year.

The thing that angers me most is that there is absolutely NO CHANCE that they will EVER pay out the same amount in compensation as my account was valued at.

Eejit also sent me money he had owed me only a couple hours before the banning, too. I'm glad they waited a few extra hours to steal his money as well as mine.

[targetguy1]

Seriously though
This is quite alarming because anyone that plays in a LL game is considered colluding with other players and can get their account
closed and lose all their money.
My question is, Can Full Tilt use posts on our forum as evidence of colluding?
If so, we can all be in big trouble someday.
Another reason why I only keep the min. bankroll on these poker sites.
They can steal your money anytime they want and you have no legal recourse what so ever.
I will support a FT boycott, just give the word.

boycott would do much to a site like FTP they have a very large player base and a few us not playing there isnt going to hurt them one bit.

[nodepositneeded]

Have you guys ever logged in as the other?wondering how they connected you.

Tracy

[PANAMHIEST]

Have you guys ever logged in as the other?wondering how they connected you.

Tracy

my guess is that they were trading funds back and forth splitting profits after a game or few, which could be misconstrued as collusion based on financial aspects of the transactions. But still i have played with each of these guys, did a lil willing and dealing myself, and i know for a fact they dont share cards. We just have sorta a unspoken rule to stay outta each others way.

[targetguy1]

Have you guys ever logged in as the other?wondering how they connected you.

Tracy

nope...we transfered to each other just as i have with many people here over and over again. i even played many game with people from here.

[NDN]

On the surface this seems pretty bogus to me. And since I know the both of you, I doubt it goes any deeper than the surface.

I've played games with just about every poker playing member on here (many of which I play with regularly) and I won't stop doing so EVER.

Hell, the only reason I play online poker these days is to play games with my old pals on here. You won't catch me in many games without a friend who's playing the same one. So poker rooms can allow that and benefit from my continued play, or they can ban people for no reason and lose a lot of business, while tarnishing their reputation in the process.

Playing with friends online is no different than playing with friends offline. Offline, you learn to respect players and stay out of their way, and the same goes for online. This isn't cheating, it's just smart poker.

When you walk into a local poker room, you see the same faces over and over again, people become familiar with other players, and they adjust their game accordingly.

Poker is an extremely social game that is far more enjoyable with a familiar face or two at the tables!

[kingsnthahole]

online poker=you giving your money to a site to hold for you, while you slowly lose it all...and if you dont, this type of thing happens. Which is why i cant say this enough-Don't trust ANY poker sites....ANY! Once they have your money, they can do whatever they want with it.

[PANAMHIEST]

A boycott would have to a huge set up planned even from players of all forums likely, and it has to be for a perty good reason too, like when the irish guys?? boycotted at pokerstars for some kinda tax deal.

however I still think that stealing money from 2 players that have played there for years with no trouble, never made any kinda huge big bang get rich scheme, maybe a comfortable extra income here and there, then all the sudden ban them, and one who hasnt played for months, is NOT good business practice. Heck im afraid to say how i really feel about it, just in case they find this post and ban me too.

[targetguy1]

A boycott would have to a huge set up planned even from players of all forums likely, and it has to be for a perty good reason too, like when the irish guys?? boycotted at pokerstars for some kinda tax deal.

however I still think that stealing money from 2 players that have played there for years with no trouble, never made any kinda huge big bang get rich scheme, maybe a comfortable extra income here and there, then all the sudden ban them, and one who hasnt played for months, is NOT good business practice. Heck im afraid to say how i really feel about it, just in case they find this post and ban me too.

thats a neg. i depsoited many times but never cashed out at FTP. i am a losing player there.