How is it a steal when you fish out the gut shot straight draw on the river?Quote:
Originally Posted by thenutzaa1
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How is it a steal when you fish out the gut shot straight draw on the river?Quote:
Originally Posted by thenutzaa1
yea i hit my stra. but i was pushing on the river anyways......plus a lot of hands beat me there....i was saying how i took control of that hand by reraisng him and he showed a lot of weakness
Im going to go slightly mad here, and your going to hate me....Quote:
Originally Posted by thenutzaa1
Right, you have K4. Off suit. In a HU game, this is a standard fold. One high card, one low. Off suit. No possible nut hands your drawing to. No possible anything. If a king comes... are you ahead? Noone knows.
Now post flop... Calling $2 on the turn with a gutshot is NOT a good play. There is $2 int he pot. Your getting 2-1. The odds of you hitting are 7.5-1(ish). Which is in no way good math. Even if you factor in the overcards, which you cant, as you have no idea if its a safe out for you, or even if the 6 is a safe out, your at like 6-1 odds.
Now the turn. I dont hate the play here, but id never have gotten this far. You are bluffing with only 4 outs in the DECK that can give you anything near the nut hand. If you get called, this is 92% of the time a complete waste of money.
The river comes, you hit your hand. Miracle time. Hallejulah.So what do you do. Do you trap check? No. Do you induce a bluff with a small bet? No. Do you value bet? No. Do you push all in and ONLY get called by a split pot/better hand? YES.
What the hell is this river move accomplishing. You cant even argue its an overbet to look like a bluff. As he isnt calling with a pair or 2 pairs here. Not ever. He MIGHT call you with a set, if he is bad or has a read on you for having **** all.
I dont get how you can be winning money at HU games with these Level 1 plays. Your not thinking what they might have. Your not thinking what they think you have.
Iny my opinion you should stop playing HU cash poker right now
Yes you did hit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thenutzaa1
If you were pushing on any river your going to lose money as more often than not your getting called by AJ or similar here.
You took no control of that hand. Your out of position, Your river bet looks weak if you miss. He showed no weakness here. He bet, you call, he bet, you raised, he calls.
IMO he is showing stregnth by commiting himself to the pot ont he turn.
The only way you can win this is with a river 6. And it came.
lol ok i agree with you totally not going to agrue with you on this one....in a mtt or sit-n-go i fold preflop insta.
hpwever in a cash table spec. hu i read this guy for a hand betwen Ak-A9o
any pocket pair really..... my point was when we came to the turn i rasied...he reaised and then i re-re raised.....any hand that beats me pushes all in or re re re raise me big....the only reason is b/c the river can make a lot of hands flush, stra.
now my point was he was weak and he was trying to win the pot with a cont. bet on the flop but i stuck around and ended winning.... now lets say the river came a blank i am still pushing here!!!
plus my read was he is a passive player post and trys to win pots by betting on the flop, turn, and river....
i am a poker player that can show you good cards and bad cards but i think 70% of the time i win this....
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Originally Posted by thenutzaa1
Ill now rip this one apart.
In a cash table, you can "Read" someone for having AK-A9, or a pair.... with no action apart from a check from the Big blind? Are you Jesus? Thats technically impossible.
On the turn it went, bet by you, raise, 3bet by you. Now your assuming he was weak? He called the 3bet? Hes obviously hit soe part of this. Noone calls off $24 on some kind of random weak hand.
How can he continuation bet the flop? Theres no money on the pot.
Heres my reads using Level 3/4 analysis
If i were you, the "hero" here, on the flop id be 50% thinking Ax with no pair, 25% thinking 87-A7, 12% thinking x3 or x5, and 3% thinking set. With the other 10% for complete air and over pairs.
On the turn he is betting stronger. So narrow it down. He doesnt have AK, he doesnt have a drawing hand. He has IMO here J7/AJ or some kind of pair and flush draw combo. Thats the MOSt likely scenario for the passive turn call after the 3bet.
On the river, you pushed so we have no idea. You realise you lost a hell of a lot of extra bets on this river dont you? pushing wins you nothing.
As for him, he is putting you on absulutely anything preflop and on the flop. On the turn id be thinking you had 2 pair, possible set, again a possible flopped straight. Maybe KK/QQ/AA, as i know id play those hands similar to this, but id make correct bet amounts with them. On the river, id fold out.
Now you said you were pushing this river regardless.
Why?
If the river is an Ace.... your pushing? If its a K Q T 9 8 2. Your pushing?
Your getting called by AJ+ on this river, i guarantee it.
without a hand here, on a blank river, your just spewing chips.
As for the "70% of the time i win this" bit, even with those reads, you can take the "0" off that number.
well i am off to bed i will finish this tom.
p.s that thread you made about rate your slef i rated my self for cash games 25% this is why!!! all of my money comes from sit-n-go and mtt... i cant really agrue with you but i deff. think the guy had a weak hand to began with!!! i am think q6,k6 some hand like that!!!
Why would he go three bets with you with just a gut shot. Just because you are willing to push the action that hard with trash, doesn't mean he will call that amount with nothing. I agree with eejit, he had AJ, KJ, QJ, or something of that sort. If he had a set or two pair I can see a call on the river even with the push. I'm pretty sure his bet on the flop was a high card bet to see where you were at, which is common in heads up. The turn gave him top pair and he has you on a lower pair so he's willing to go with you.