And Full Tilt strikes again.

My first real chance to KO a pro and Tilt strikes again.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17640831905: $6 + $0.50 KO Sit & Go (133075835), Table 10 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:44:55 ET - 2010/01/16
Seat 3: Fatal1ty (83,920)
Seat 4: zsugabubus99 (61,192)
Seat 7: hillbillyroostr (124,888)
Fatal1ty antes 1,000
zsugabubus99 antes 1,000
hillbillyroostr antes 1,000
zsugabubus99 posts the small blind of 4,000
hillbillyroostr posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hillbillyroostr [Kh Kc]
Fatal1ty raises to 82,920, and is all in
zsugabubus99 folds
hillbillyroostr calls 74,920
Fatal1ty shows [7c Ah]
hillbillyroostr shows [Kh Kc]
*** FLOP *** [6d 4h 8s]
*** TURN *** [6d 4h 8s] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [6d 4h 8s 5h] [Ks]
Fatal1ty shows a straight, Eight high
hillbillyroostr shows three of a kind, Kings
Fatal1ty wins the pot (172,840) with a straight, Eight high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 172,840 | Rake 0
Board: [6d 4h 8s 5h Ks]
Seat 3: Fatal1ty (button) showed [7c Ah] and won (172,840) with a straight, Eight high
Seat 4: zsugabubus99 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: hillbillyroostr (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

hey they felt sorry for u and gave u the king on the river.

Wait, Falta1ty still plays on there? Haven't seen him in ages.

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Originally Posted by klinkman

Wait, Falta1ty still plays on there? Haven't seen him in ages.

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well they were talking, he doesn't but i guess some pro's get paid to play.On another note I had about several tourneys in a row where I got rivered, or runner runnered with very few outs.That rng thing just doesn't care for me I suppose.

Yall was three handed so he probably honestly thought he had the best hand, didnt and then got dumb luck. I guess thats why they are the pros lol.

I don't think its luck that I lose with KK,10 10, Ak all against A7 os in the same day, I am so sick of losing with the best hand, honestly without this crap I'd be way up this week.I will check hand history when I go back it mighta been 4 big tournies today I got knocked out of by A7, one I mighta had KQ suited tho either way,dumb luck lol.

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Originally Posted by Lilred36

I don't think its luck that I lose with KK,10 10, Ak all against A7 os in the same day, I am so sick of losing with the best hand, honestly without this crap I'd be way up this week.I will check hand history when I go back it mighta been 4 big tournies today I got knocked out of by A7, one I mighta had KQ suited tho either way,dumb luck lol.

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This is why i do as much railing as possible. It seems like that on some days the computers RNG, (the program that supposedly deals random hands), sems to be stuck on a seed card(the first card shuffled), causing what would normally be a truly random dealt hand, to have some odd favorites, such as your A7. Ive seen it with just about every hand out there that people will play. If you notice a hand that seems to win no matter what start playing it, but aint no telling when it change over to some other set of hole cards, it just does it over and over again. There always seems to be a set of hands that just wont lose. I wish they had a hand tracker, kinda like a poker player tracker, because then youll see these certain hands doing way better than normal odds would apply at the given times they are seemingly unbeatable. But even these super lucky hands lose, you just gotta get dealt extremely empressive odds against em

Nice post Pan,so I push with these hands?I thought about it actually woulda won several big pots today,if I woulda called big raises with A7.Odd thing is and this happened the other day,a couple of my tourneys today"and the other" I couldn't find my bust hands in hand history.So I e-mailed support, they sent me an e-mail saying they had a new hand history thingy haven't used it yet but might try to find them.Still celabrating the Saints game and Boo getting a check,will tell ya how it goes.

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Originally Posted by PANAMHIEST

This is why i do as much railing as possible. It seems like that on some days the computers RNG, (the program that supposedly deals random hands), sems to be stuck on a seed card(the first card shuffled), causing what would normally be a truly random dealt hand, to have some odd favorites, such as your A7. Ive seen it with just about every hand out there that people will play. If you notice a hand that seems to win no matter what start playing it, but aint no telling when it change over to some other set of hole cards, it just does it over and over again. There always seems to be a set of hands that just wont lose. I wish they had a hand tracker, kinda like a poker player tracker, because then youll see these certain hands doing way better than normal odds would apply at the given times they are seemingly unbeatable. But even these super lucky hands lose, you just gotta get dealt extremely empressive odds against em

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Ummmm....no! The seed value used to generate each individual card (a new seed is used for every card) is not based on the first card generated, or has anything to do with it, but taken from a seprate hardware random number generator that generates a sequence of 1's and 0's based on non-determinisitc input, usually shot noise. The most important part is that the input is non-detrministic, that is it cannont be determined or predicted by a human. That is key. Early poker programs used Psuedo-RNGs that based the random numbers off of the system clock, which can both be manipulated and can be determined. As long as that input is non-deterministic the output will be as well. And remeber that new seed is also generated for each individual card-this means 2 things. 1. Previous cards delt only affect future cards dealt in that the card cannot be dealt again, so if a 7 was dealt and folded, it won't be dealt again. 2. There is no knowlege of the card that's going to be dealt until it's dealt-not even a person with inside access could tell you what the flop is going to be until it's dealt, as it's not generated until it's actually dealt.

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Originally Posted by klinkman

Ummmm....no! The seed value used to generate each individual card (a new seed is used for every card) is not based on the first card generated, or has anything to do with it, but taken from a seprate hardware random number generator that generates a sequence of 1's and 0's based on non-determinisitc input, usually shot noise. The most important part is that the input is non-detrministic, that is it cannont be determined or predicted by a human. That is key. Early poker programs used Psuedo-RNGs that based the random numbers off of the system clock, which can both be manipulated and can be determined. As long as that input is non-deterministic the output will be as well. And remeber that new seed is also generated for each individual card-this means 2 things. 1. Previous cards delt only affect future cards dealt in that the card cannot be dealt again, so if a 7 was dealt and folded, it won't be dealt again. 2. There is no knowlege of the card that's going to be dealt until it's dealt-not even a person with inside access could tell you what the flop is going to be until it's dealt, as it's not generated until it's actually dealt.

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Well, um ya all that deep tech stuff makes sense, but then why does it get stuck on some hands that are obviously winning way more than they should be,consistently, before moving on to a new batch of hands that seem to never lose?

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Originally Posted by PANAMHIEST

Well, um ya all that deep tech stuff makes sense, but then why does it get stuck on some hands that are obviously winning way more than they should be,consistently, before moving on to a new batch of hands that seem to never lose?

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Humans have evolved to be constantly looking for patterns in their environment. Patterns allowed us to spot and evade predators, find food and identify edible plants in new surroundings. They also allow us to spot our opponent's tendancies at a poker table, and allow smart players to adapt to them. But because of how short our lives are and how little we actually get to see, we have evolved to look for and spot patterns over short periods of time, where in many cases a pattern may not actually be there. If the first 2 people going west from the settlement don't come back, we surely think going west is deadly and should be avoided, even though both those deaths might be completely random(Guy A was sick when he left and Guy B met a bandit going the other direction).

What I'm suggesting is that you're seeing a pattern that isn't actually there, as you have been evolved and trained to do all your life. A7 beating KK happens almost 30% of the time. It happening 3 times in a row happens (if I did the math right) about 3% of the time. 3% is not high odds, but FAR from impossible. So if you watch hundreds of thousands of hands of poker, and watch A7 beat KK 3 times in a row, you are seeing something rare, but something you would almost expect to see watching that many hands. And it has nothing to do with the RNG being hot, or cold, or whatever, it's just a natural occurance over that large of sample.

I know all this is easy for me to say, but trust me I've been there, and I'll be *****ing and screaming the next time it happens to be. But I play enough poker where it will happen to me, and it will suck when it does, but it's not rigged, it's not the RNG getting stuck on a certain hand, it's just that if you get it in as a 70% favorite, 3 times in 10 you will lose, and that was one of those times.

Is ther any program or any way that i can get the outcomes of hands throughout the course of a day, similar to how poker players are tracked, but for hands?

I never said it was rigged,well I have.Take the last 10 serious tourneys I played, I lost 9 of 10 with the best hand.Ok so it's just odds against me,so why do I never hit runner runner? Or the river,I suppose its because I never get in those situations.I will tell ya this I am not a college man but, go to poker stars, sit at a penny table fold every hand for 20 minutes or so no matter what ya get including KK AA whatever.I promise your whole cards will improve,how do I know you ask.Ok a few years back I sent an e-mail saying how I never win always get knocked out its rigged blah blah blah.They replied I was playing to many hands my percentage was off.So i sit down at a micro table folded everything for like 50 hands,i started getting AA,Kk,AK AQ JJ almost every hand at the end.So no scientic proof there but odd,I wish someone else would do it and tell me the results.As for my luck as of late,I know your going lose with best hand once in awhile, just seems to happen to me when i get all my chips in late and ahead.
Obviously it makes no sense for them to stack the deck but the pro at my table was short stack coming in was all but out on at least 10 occasions, came from behind to win,and he wasn't playing monsters I agree with Pan he probally thought the A7 was best.However his 2 5 push that beat 88 or that 7 10 that beat AJ was odd.Sometimes Klink I don't win when I'm ahead at turn and they have a one outer.I have lost alot lately with the best hand,and have grown used to it.
Now if ya wanna see the best hand lose almost every time play a few of the superturbos,I love poker and as soon as our dogtrack gets that cardroom in my online days are numbered,because if we were all playing at someones house and what has happened to me in the last few weeks happened live, there would be gunplay cause every tourney runner runner miracle doesn't happen that much.Thats just my opion.ROLL TIDE!!! WHO DAT!