At what point do I give up playing poker?

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09-24-2009, 10:51 PM
TerpZone

At what point do I give up playing poker?

Ugh. This is why I try to avoid cash games. Because even though I'm better than everyone I'm playing with, people suck out and it costs me more than a tourny buyin would cost.

Full Tilt Poker Game #14919311660: Table Loam - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:44:27 ET - 2009/09/25
Seat 1: SolarPower36 ($6.31)
Seat 2: RichMa ($5.19)
Seat 3: marianalu ($2)
Seat 4: potatochip LaYs ($4.21)
Seat 5: jakes1118 ($9.33)
Seat 6: rafiksun ($2.25)
Seat 8: Nut Seller ($10.05)
Seat 9: 15 poker-face ($0.31)
Nut Seller posts the small blind of $0.05
15 poker-face posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichMa [Tc Ad]
chinabox adds $10
SolarPower36 folds
RichMa raises to $0.20
marianalu folds
potatochip LaYs folds
jakes1118 folds
rafiksun folds
Nut Seller calls $0.15
15 poker-face folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac 7s 8h]
Nut Seller checks
RichMa has 15 seconds left to act
RichMa bets $0.20
Nut Seller raises to $0.70
RichMa has 15 seconds left to act
RichMa calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [Ac 7s 8h] [Th]
Nut Seller bets $1.90
RichMa raises to $4.29, and is all in
Nut Seller calls $2.39
RichMa shows [Tc Ad]
Nut Seller shows [7d 8c]
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7s 8h Th] [8d]
RichMa shows two pair, Aces and Tens
Nut Seller shows a full house, Eights full of Sevens
Nut Seller wins the pot ($9.79) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
RichMa: omg
RichMa is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.48 | Rake $0.69
Board: [Ac 7s 8h Th 8d]
Seat 1: SolarPower36 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: RichMa showed [Tc Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 3: marianalu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: potatochip LaYs didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: jakes1118 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: rafiksun (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Nut Seller (small blind) showed [7d 8c] and won ($9.79) with a full house, Eights full of Sevens
Seat 9: 15 poker-face (big blind) folded before the Flop

ohohoh, 2 hands later. (yeah, misplayed, I should have made a value bet after the flop)

Full Tilt Poker Game #14919427027: Table Maltese Crest - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:51:43 ET - 2009/09/25
Seat 1: Valeriykrasnov ($1.70), is sitting out
Seat 2: DancinGruxKing ($2)
Seat 4: ec_123 ($10.26)
Seat 5: RichMa ($3.47)
Seat 6: dmaddict ($9.28)
Seat 7: onehardtarget ($6.54)
Seat 8: 2004shade ($2.13)
Seat 9: Alline3 ($5.24)
RichMa posts the small blind of $0.05
dmaddict posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichMa [Kd Kh]
onehardtarget folds
2004shade folds
Alline3 folds
DancinGruxKing folds
ec_123 folds
yoyo5121 sits down
RichMa calls $0.05
yoyo5121 adds $2
dmaddict raises to $0.30
RichMa raises to $0.90
dmaddict has 15 seconds left to act
dmaddict calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [As 7c 2d]
RichMa bets $2.57, and is all in
dmaddict calls $2.57
RichMa shows [Kd Kh]
dmaddict shows [Ac Qc]
*** TURN *** [As 7c 2d] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [As 7c 2d 9h] [6h]
RichMa shows a pair of Kings
dmaddict shows a pair of Aces
dmaddict wins the pot ($6.48) with a pair of Aces
RichMa is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.94 | Rake $0.46
Board: [As 7c 2d 9h 6h]
Seat 1: Valeriykrasnov is sitting out
Seat 2: DancinGruxKing didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: ec_123 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: RichMa (small blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: dmaddict (big blind) showed [Ac Qc] and won ($6.48) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: onehardtarget didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: 2004shade didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Alline3 didn't bet (folded)
09-24-2009, 10:53 PM
markjfixit

thats rough buddy,, dont give up on it!!
09-24-2009, 11:03 PM
markjfixit

I just got 55 and 5 on the flop we pushed each other all in and he had 88 caught 8 on turn im toast I know what your feeling.
09-24-2009, 11:07 PM
TerpZone

Quote:

Originally Posted by markjfixit

I just got 55 and 5 on the flop we pushed each other all in and he had 88 caught 8 on turn im toast I know what your feeling.

Rough dude.

Twice today I've had top pair or higher pocket pair to a 4 cards on the board straights. It's been a rough day, and have lost everything I've touched (NDNPT game excluded, thank god)
09-24-2009, 11:09 PM
markjfixit

well at least you pulled that off,I am glad I didnt lose everything today has been super rough on me too.
10-02-2009, 07:17 PM
TerpZone

I can't even fathom how large a favorite I was when all the chips went into the middle of the pot here after the flop. I had to be 90-95% to at very worst split.

PokerStars Game #33565339038: Tournament #200420508, $6.00+$0.50 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/10/02 21:13:36 ET
Table '200420508 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Gnazer (3735 in chips)
Seat 2: microtastic (1265 in chips)
Seat 3: RichD1 (1570 in chips)
Seat 4: smokeyjay23 (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: pokercareer (973 in chips)
Seat 6: bobbie melk (1210 in chips)
Seat 7: photog86 (685 in chips)
Seat 8: Quidrogas (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: vinmar9 (622 in chips)
RichD1: posts small blind 25
smokeyjay23: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RichD1 [Ac Ah 2c 8s]
pokercareer: folds
bobbie melk: folds
photog86: calls 50
Quidrogas: folds
vinmar9: folds
Gnazer: calls 50
microtastic: calls 50
RichD1: raises 200 to 250
smokeyjay23: folds
photog86: calls 200
Gnazer: folds
microtastic: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [3c 8c 9h]
RichD1: bets 850
photog86: calls 435 and is all-in
microtastic: folds
Uncalled bet (415) returned to RichD1
*** TURN *** [3c 8c 9h] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [3c 8c 9h 4h] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RichD1: shows [Ac Ah 2c 8s] (HI: two pair, Eights and Deuces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A)
photog86: shows [5h 4d Kh As] (HI: a flush, King high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
photog86 collected 860 from pot
photog86 collected 860 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1720 | Rake 0
Board [3c 8c 9h 4h 2h]
Seat 1: Gnazer folded before Flop
Seat 2: microtastic (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: RichD1 (small blind) showed [Ac Ah 2c 8s] and lost with HI: two pair, Eights and Deuces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A
Seat 4: smokeyjay23 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: pokercareer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: bobbie melk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: photog86 showed [5h 4d Kh As] and won (1720) with HI: a flush, King high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 8: Quidrogas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: vinmar9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
10-02-2009, 09:11 PM
eejit101

You shud quit when you get half as many beats as i do
10-02-2009, 09:19 PM
PANAMHIEST

Thats pretty much spells out why I completely quit playing cash money poker until im a billionaire, which means never. I refuse to play cash, because of hands like the one above. Sorry to hear you had such a bad outing in cash, but ya if your serious about quitting cash, it isnt so bad plus youll have more to play tournament and itll take longer to lose it till you get that next big cash.
10-02-2009, 10:09 PM
Lilred36

Thats bad Terp you see alot strange chit in cash games, most of those guys that raise all the time at a table I will call withh aa they call hit 2 9 or some chit does get old quick.
10-03-2009, 01:45 AM
TerpZone

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And then you remember why you play:

https://www.nodepositneeded.com/foru...1&d=1254555685

In a $7.5 300 chip super turbo matrix, I was dealt 99 once, TT twice (in a row) JJ once, QQ twice, AA three times, AK twice, AJ five times, AT 2 times

I finished 1st/2nd/3rd/5th and won the Matrix by over 10 points. I would have cashed all four by A9 busted my AJ.

At one point I was chip lead in 3/4 and in second in the fourth.
10-03-2009, 04:16 PM
freeringo

That's why I don't gamble at poker.
Cash games is a gamble.
Stay cheap and keep it a hobby and you will never have a problem.
A gamblers heart is never satisfied.
10-03-2009, 04:20 PM
woohoosue

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerpZone

And then you remember why you play:

https://www.nodepositneeded.com/foru...1&d=1254555685

In a $7.5 300 chip super turbo matrix, I was dealt 99 once, TT twice (in a row) JJ once, QQ twice, AA three times, AK twice, AJ five times, AT 2 times

I finished 1st/2nd/3rd/5th and won the Matrix by over 10 points. I would have cashed all four by A9 busted my AJ.

At one point I was chip lead in 3/4 and in second in the fourth.

Acein and R3 called and asked you quit TODAY!
10-15-2009, 02:30 AM
TerpZone

Ugh I'm getting so frustrated to the point of giving up on Full Tilt.

I got beat out of THREE SnGs on FTP today on 2 outers on the river. THREE F'IN TIMES. I would have likely cashed in all 3 if I won the hands. 5 freakin' %

The last one was final 4 of a SnG and I pushed with KK to 99 and river 9. Would have put me at 1.75x second place, but instead I was out on bubble.

Awesome.
10-15-2009, 02:16 PM
ffcowboy76

To be quite honest, I would quit now. You don't seem to understand variance or the theory of odds. The only hand you can NEVER lose with is a Royal Flush. Every other hand, flop, preflop, turn, and river can be beat. You are going to lose many hands in tournaments and in cash game. If you can't seem to stomach that, then quit playing poker for money. Another thing to consider is how many times did you suck out on someone else? How many of those actually went to showdown so you could verify you sucked out? How many times have you flopped a set against an over pair and won the hand?
10-15-2009, 05:25 PM
GloBug

here you go.

https://www.nodepositneeded.com/foru...-variance.html
10-15-2009, 05:43 PM
TerpZone

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloBug

here you go.

https://www.nodepositneeded.com/foru...-variance.html

yeah, thanks, 10 month old threads.

To make up for 3 straight 2 outters hitting on the river, I would need to win, what, 57 straight times without it hitting? I'm not holding my breath.

I got crushed twice today on 3 outters hitting twice on the river as well. So lets make it 100 times.

I'm not playing MTTs or cash games. Variance means **** to me.
10-15-2009, 05:45 PM
TerpZone

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcowboy76

To be quite honest, I would quit now. You don't seem to understand variance or the theory of odds. The only hand you can NEVER lose with is a Royal Flush. Every other hand, flop, preflop, turn, and river can be beat. You are going to lose many hands in tournaments and in cash game. If you can't seem to stomach that, then quit playing poker for money. Another thing to consider is how many times did you suck out on someone else? How many of those actually went to showdown so you could verify you sucked out? How many times have you flopped a set against an over pair and won the hand?

I got sucked out three times in a row on 2 outters. I call bull **** if you are claiming that wouldn't frustrate you. Stop trying to take a moral high ground when you know damn well you'd be pissed to.

I know full well it's supposed to "even out" in the long run. I don't need you to state the obvious. That doesn't take the sting out of losing as a heavy favorite multiple times consecutively, especially when it would take weeks for that to even out variance when considering the amount of hands I actually play a day.
10-15-2009, 05:50 PM
Lilred36

I think its close to at least 100,ooo I aint sure no more, but bad beats online happen at least every third hand.Everyone wants to make that big bet on turn or bluff the river like the pros.Look I'VE lost with quad 8s, full houses, flushes, name it.Except straight flush or royal I have lost with it all nature of the game,I have also won with 27 os with AAKKQ on the board,poker is a game,if all ur chips r in the pot your gonna lose alot of those, you will win some.Look Full Tilt is as good as any, man up and push.
10-15-2009, 11:21 PM
ffcowboy76

I'm not taking the moral high ground, I'm stating the obvious. Suck outs happen every day to every one. You take as many suckouts as you give. You don't always know when you suck out, unless you check EVERY history after EVERY hand. Sure getting sucked out on hurts, but I don't go posting threads about "when do I quit playing poker?" If you can't take the beats, quit playing.

I've been where you are at right now. I can drag a few people in here to state that very fact. Here is your chance to improve at poker, and it has nothing to do with your play at the tables. 90% of poker is in your head. If you can't control your mind, you might not want to continue playing poker. I've come to realize that suckouts will happen, especially online where facing a person isn't a problem.

I will try to find some information for you to read that might help with the mind control stuff, but I can't post here because it links to a different site with affiliate deals. If you want it, send me a PM.
10-21-2009, 04:28 PM
johnpoker

you got some strong hands bgut as you know not always does the best hand win
10-23-2009, 10:54 AM
ffcowboy76

Guess you don't want to improve or take help from anyone else.

That's fine.

Hope you learn to control you thinking so you don't lose everything you have online.