I Can't Be The Only One

After making what I consider a pretty standard play (granted it might be more advanced if you aren't used to the situation) I had to spend 30-minutes explaining to what seemed like entire table why my play was perfect. Now normally I don't bother because I understand that the majority of the field probably doesn't have a lot of experience, but I couldn't believe that not a single person understand my play and why it was the right move.

Here is the hand (more thoughts at the bottom):

Hand#19755E0CC6001921 - DAILY $10K BOUNTY!! T6163654 -- Table 18 -- $0/$100/$200 NL Hold'em -- 2009/08/31 - 22:27:10
Seat 1: 4ran***1 ($435 in chips)
Seat 2: viol***2 ($15,372 in chips)
Seat 4: Watc***4 ($5,386 in chips)
Seat 5: BigD***5 ($6,313 in chips)
Seat 6: Siro***6 ($7,144 in chips)
Seat 7: admi***7 ($5,976 in chips)
Seat 8: Back***8 ($4,415 in chips)
Seat 9: cafn***9 ($6,370 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: MRNDN ($10,151 in chips)
4ran***1: posts small blind 100
viol***2: posts big blind 200
Dealt to MRNDN [2d,7s]
echa***3: folds
Watc***4: folds
BigD***5: folds
Siro***6: folds
admi***7: calls 200
Back***8: folds
cafn***9: calls 200
MRNDN: calls 200
4ran***1: is all in 335.0000
viol***2: calls 235
admi***7: calls 235
cafn***9: calls 235
MRNDN: calls 235
*** FLOP *** [3s,Jh,9d]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: checks
*** TURN *** [2c]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: bets 1,088
viol***2: folds
admi***7: folds
cafn***9: folds
MRNDN: returns uncalled bet 1,088
***SHOW DOWN***
MRNDN: shows [2d 7s] (Pair of Deuces )
4ran***1: mucks
MRNDN: wins 2,175 with Pair of Deuces
4ran***1: mucks [ Ac, 5c ] (HighCard)
Tournament: MRNDN wins 10 bounty.

The Basics:
I had a large stack in the 10K bounty (bounty being the key word). I was one behind the dealer. The dealer (ss) had half of his stack in on the small blind (and I assumed he would commit his remaining chips to the pot when it got back to him). Two people called the big blind and I called with my 72 (strictly hoping to hit the flop and get the bounty). After I called the big blind, the small blind (ss) went all-in (as I predicted) and the remaining players called.

On the flop it's checked around. On the turn it's checked around. On the river it is checked around again to me (I'm last to act).

I have two choices here.

1. I can check and see if my 72 (which turned into a pair of twos) can beat 4 other hands in a showdown.

2. I can bet, attempt to get the bounty (the entire point of me being in the hand), and pick up a $2k pot in the process if my pair can bet the all-in.

Obviously I went with option number to. There was zero reason for me not to make an attempt at the pot and at the bounty. Of course my hand won (the all-in had ace high) so I took the pot and the bounty because no one called.

The entire table (which baffled me) then proceeded to try to explain to me why I should have check to ensure that the ss would be eliminated. Now don't get me wrong, I have plenty experience to understand bubble situations and when it's important to eliminate the player, but we were a good 70 spots from the money so I could care less if he is eliminated or not. My goal in playing the hand was to get the bounty for cheap and I accomplished the goal (while making a good play).

I love bountys! If playing for myself,I dunno, maybe sb,geez I just don't know big guy,I rarely play 27, of course you win alot more than me.I can imagine the table was on ya.

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Originally Posted by nodepositneeded

After making what I consider a pretty standard play (granted it might be more advanced if you aren't used to the situation) I had to spend 30-minutes explaining to what seemed like entire table why my play was perfect. Now normally I don't bother because I understand that the majority of the field probably doesn't have a lot of experience, but I couldn't believe that not a single person understand my play and why it was the right move.

Here is the hand (more thoughts at the bottom):

Hand#19755E0CC6001921 - DAILY $10K BOUNTY!! T6163654 -- Table 18 -- $0/$100/$200 NL Hold'em -- 2009/08/31 - 22:27:10
Seat 1: 4ran***1 ($435 in chips)
Seat 2: viol***2 ($15,372 in chips)
Seat 4: Watc***4 ($5,386 in chips)
Seat 5: BigD***5 ($6,313 in chips)
Seat 6: Siro***6 ($7,144 in chips)
Seat 7: admi***7 ($5,976 in chips)
Seat 8: Back***8 ($4,415 in chips)
Seat 9: cafn***9 ($6,370 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: MRNDN ($10,151 in chips)
4ran***1: posts small blind 100
viol***2: posts big blind 200
Dealt to MRNDN [2d,7s]
echa***3: folds
Watc***4: folds
BigD***5: folds
Siro***6: folds
admi***7: calls 200
Back***8: folds
cafn***9: calls 200
MRNDN: calls 200
4ran***1: is all in 335.0000
viol***2: calls 235
admi***7: calls 235
cafn***9: calls 235
MRNDN: calls 235
*** FLOP *** [3s,Jh,9d]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: checks
*** TURN *** [2c]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s]
viol***2: checks
admi***7: checks
cafn***9: checks
MRNDN: bets 1,088
viol***2: folds
admi***7: folds
cafn***9: folds
MRNDN: returns uncalled bet 1,088
***SHOW DOWN***
MRNDN: shows [2d 7s] (Pair of Deuces )
4ran***1: mucks
MRNDN: wins 2,175 with Pair of Deuces
4ran***1: mucks [ Ac, 5c ] (HighCard)
Tournament: MRNDN wins 10 bounty.

The Basics:
I had a large stack in the 10K bounty (bounty being the key word). I was one behind the dealer. The dealer (ss) had half of his stack in on the small blind (and I assumed he would commit his remaining chips to the pot when it got back to him). Two people called the big blind and I called with my 72 (strictly hoping to hit the flop and get the bounty). After I called the big blind, the small blind (ss) went all-in (as I predicted) and the remaining players called.

On the flop it's checked around. On the turn it's checked around. On the river it is checked around again to me (I'm last to act).

I have two choices here.

1. I can check and see if my 72 (which turned into a pair of twos) can beat 4 other hands in a showdown.

2. I can bet, attempt to get the bounty (the entire point of me being in the hand), and pick up a $2k pot in the process if my pair can bet the all-in.

Obviously I went with option number to. There was zero reason for me not to make an attempt at the pot and at the bounty. Of course my hand won (the all-in had ace high) so I took the pot and the bounty because no one called.

The entire table (which baffled me) then proceeded to try to explain to me why I should have check to ensure that the ss would be eliminated. Now don't get me wrong, I have plenty experience to understand bubble situations and when it's important to eliminate the player, but we were a good 70 spots from the money so I could care less if he is eliminated or not. My goal in playing the hand was to get the bounty for cheap and I accomplished the goal (while making a good play).

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great play, people were just jelous.
I did the right move for sure, I also do the same when My stack is big and I can get the bounty almost for free.
Nice win.
Congrats.
:cheers2:

Hmm.

If your deeper then this play is not the most advisable.

However, in the situation you were in, i like it

Bounty games = isolate and destroy:smash:

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Originally Posted by freeringo

Bounty games = isolate and destroy:smash:

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I like isolating and destroying...
Im going to play a bounty SitnGo Game right now.
so pray for me please.
:Angel_anim::Angel_anim::Angel_anim:

I would call with any two cards against a much smaller all-in bounty. I see the sense behind your play. I am assuming a few of the players may have had you slightly beat and were whining, using the check down as an excuse to whine some more lol:rofl: Great play:cheers2:

This hand really depends on how big the bounty is compared to the buyin for the tourney. If the bounty is worthwhile, then I have no problem with playing the hand as you did. Once you've made up your mind to play the hand for the purposes of winning the bounties, it follows that you should try to get the other opponents out of the hand as long as you think you might be able to beat the all-in hand.

It always cracks me up when people insist on checking the hand down with nothing at stake.
In my mind, unless you are at the final table, or 3 or 4 handed in a single table tourney or close to the end of a satellite, there is nothing to be gained by checking a hand down. You should simply make the plays that you think will give you the best chance to win chips.

Getting back to this particular hand, I don't think I would bother trying for a knockout with a 7-2 unless the bounty is disproportionately higher than the buyin. If you were the only one in the hand against the short stack, then you can make more of a case for trying for the bounty because your investment is limited to 1 big blind and you should be able to win in a showdown a fair amount of time.
With so many players in the pot already and such a weak hand, I wouldn't bother with trying to win a small bounty (for instance a $1 or 2 bounty in a $10+1 tourney).

I'm a very big supporter of the check down and have the biggest number of hands go against an all in. In this situtation, the check down as not the correct play. You were a long way from the money (30+ is a long way) and stack size is more important right now. I can also see why people were whining about the lack of a check down.

Many people are learning the concept of checking down to eliminate a player, but the bounty tournaments change that idea quiet a bit. It's now worth something to be the one to take a player out, instead of it getting you 1 step closer to the money. Had this game been a standard game (no bounty) I can understand their complaining, but because the bounty is generally 1/5 to 1/6 of the buy-in it becomes ideal to take people out. After 5 or 6 KO's you are freerolling, usually with a sizeable stack.

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Originally Posted by ffcowboy76

I'm a very big supporter of the check down and have the biggest number of hands go against an all in. In this situtation, the check down as not the correct play. You were a long way from the money (30+ is a long way) and stack size is more important right now. I can also see why people were whining about the lack of a check down.

Many people are learning the concept of checking down to eliminate a player, but the bounty tournaments change that idea quiet a bit. It's now worth something to be the one to take a player out, instead of it getting you 1 step closer to the money. Had this game been a standard game (no bounty) I can understand their complaining, but because the bounty is generally 1/5 to 1/6 of the buy-in it becomes ideal to take people out. After 5 or 6 KO's you are freerolling, usually with a sizeable stack.

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I disagree with the people that want to check down even in a non bounty tourney with 30+ to go. I just does not help that much to take out one additional player. I'd go as far as saying that you shouldn't even care if you are on the bubble of a large field MTT. The most you can get for being in the money is about double the buyin. I know many people are unwilling to take risks so close to the money and they would rather ensure that they cash before opening up their game.
That's fine if they want to do that, but I play MTTs to come in 1st place or get a top 3 finish. I couldn't care less about min cashing.
In fact, if I have a mid or large stack, it is to my advantage to extend the bubble so I can steal more blinds.

If people want to check down, that's fine with me but they really have no right to demand or complain if I don't want to check down.

The only spot I consider checking down is if the difference in prize money is significant, like in a final table, bubble of a satellite or 3 or 4 handed in a SNG.