fold the 2nd nuts???

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07-29-2009, 09:35 AM
esmordan

fold the 2nd nuts???

Fold the 2nd nuts??

Would you fold this hand? I thought it through and could not see anything other than a king high flush?

6 seat $100nl cash table.
1st pos has $88
SB has $215
I have $140

1st position puts in a raise of $4.
SB calls $3.50
I call the remaining $3 from the BB with Qd Jq
Pot is $12

Flop comes Ad 3d 4c

SB checks
I check
1st position bets $6
SB calls
I call
Pot is $30

Turn comes 2h

SB checks
I check
1st position checks
Pot is $30

River comes 8d
Bingo!
SB bets out $12
This is even better, she has picked up a small flush.
I make it $35 to go
1st position folds
SB puts me ALL IN! another $100!
I fold.
After my raise I just dont see her pushing here without the nuts. Considering I have QJ her highest flush possible apart from the King is 10 high. I dont believe she is bad enough to believe I am raising her with a 5. Tough one and a hard one for me to fold. The SB is not someone I consider a shark but she is a decent player, in no way reckless to this point whatsoever. Again though there is only one hand I can see calling the initial pre flop raise and that is exactly K10
07-29-2009, 10:40 AM
eejit101

Insta call...

No way you can fold 2nd nuts in this spot. Many things shove over here
07-31-2009, 12:37 PM
ffcowboy76

I can see A5, AK, A8, 56, or even a small set shoving over. Your flush draw is disguised pretty well and I'm 95% sure you were the winner.
07-31-2009, 02:14 PM
0maxpower0

:-o. What i dont understand is how u think to yourself "she has made her small flush" and then not call her with ur second nut flush.... man. I agree with Eej... i dont know what you DONT call there. I mean.... youd have to have some kind of ridiculous read on her... but to not call there is crazy. Even if she does have the nuts... i mean, you got the second best hand possible there, and theres a long list of hands she can come over the top with. Sometimes u gotta go with the odds and not ur reads. FF's right; you're in a cash game, so play the odds, you can always reload (thank you ndn and eej :-p) In a tourney, in a certain situation, folding may be a good option, but in a cash game, DEFINATELY not.

-0max