Advice from NDNPT Game 24......

Without naming people or anything....

Today a hand occured where a player called with no position or odds or anything really with A6. The origional raiser is tight/solid. So an opening range must be assumed that beats A6 by a whole lot.

The point is if i say anything constructive, im helping. Im not trying to make out im a genius at poker, but i do know all the maths behind it.

The same thing occured when calling further preflop raises or shoves by IMO the tightest player at the table with AJ and QJ.

If you wanna mess about then just do it, im all for that. Ive often gotten into bets with people and shoved blind for fun and whatever, but if your normal game involves these kinds of plays, then you will lose. It is a fact. You may get lucky sometimes, but over time, you will lose. It is undenyable.

The way you can then say "its all about who is head on the river" is just rubbish. Its another way of saying "Im here to gamble". Which is fine, as long as you know your doing it.

The reasoning people have for not reading anything is insane. "I play for fun", "I like A6", "It was suited" etc.

Then i got criticized for showing AK clubs to a 4x BB raise, and a caller.....

Can any single person say why my play was bad? I know both opponents, i knew what their ranges for their hands were. Kaci i had spot on, as targetguy will vouch, as on MSN i said "I bet she has AJ", and Navuta i had on AQ (he had AK off). So IMO my play was perfect. I got it in as a huge favourite, and i lose to AJ. Which is fine, it happens.

But in the end it all comes down to ego. You might think im arrogant with this post or what i said, but all i was doing was arguing as to why you should know your behind e.t.c, and if you can take what i say and turn it into something constructive, great!!!

Just look at some of the hand analysis threads. People post hands, it gets criticized or commented on by several people. The origional poster should then think, "hmm, i see what i did", and change it, and win more.

The difference between losing and winning is slim.

Im not gonna ask for backup, but i know at least 9 people on here who have improved dramatically from reading things myself, cowboy, and many MANY others have written.

So once again, ill say this - If your hving fun, awesome. Good for you. But why not have fun and win some money at the same time???

And as for criticizing my play, if you want to comment, make a thread about it. Maybe itll get some interesting discussion. If ive done something wrong ill be the first to learn from it.

To reiterate, this isnt about the losing. Its all good. ITs a forum game, stuf happens.

Its the reasoning behind it

I wasn't at the game and I didn't see the hand(s) so I can't really comment, but from what I'm reading I'm on eejit's side as usual for this.

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Originally Posted by eejit101

To reiterate, this isnt about the losing. Its all good. ITs a forum game, stuf happens.

Its the reasoning behind it

Good point eejiit...
Im happy I can learn with u..
But after reading and looking Kaci winning I just remenber ringo saying that some people dont really whant to learn anything...
They just whant to have fun...:boxing_smiley:
And if they can win going all in with 72 off all the time good for than!...:ack2:
Im starting to hate kaci...lol... just lost while I was writing this... I will iven post the hand for ejjit comment:willy_nilly::iamwithstupid:

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Originally Posted by eejit101

Without naming people or anything....

Today a hand occured where a player called with no position or odds or anything really with A6. The origional raiser is tight/solid. So an opening range must be assumed that beats A6 by a whole lot.

The point is if i say anything constructive, im helping. Im not trying to make out im a genius at poker, but i do know all the maths behind it.

The same thing occured when calling further preflop raises or shoves by IMO the tightest player at the table with AJ and QJ.

If you wanna mess about then just do it, im all for that. Ive often gotten into bets with people and shoved blind for fun and whatever, but if your normal game involves these kinds of plays, then you will lose. It is a fact. You may get lucky sometimes, but over time, you will lose. It is undenyable.

The way you can then say "its all about who is head on the river" is just rubbish. Its another way of saying "Im here to gamble". Which is fine, as long as you know your doing it.

The reasoning people have for not reading anything is insane. "I play for fun", "I like A6", "It was suited" etc.

Then i got criticized for showing AK clubs to a 4x BB raise, and a caller.....

Can any single person say why my play was bad? I know both opponents, i knew what their ranges for their hands were. Kaci i had spot on, as targetguy will vouch, as on MSN i said "I bet she has AJ", and Navuta i had on AQ (he had AK off). So IMO my play was perfect. I got it in as a huge favourite, and i lose to AJ. Which is fine, it happens.

But in the end it all comes down to ego. You might think im arrogant with this post or what i said, but all i was doing was arguing as to why you should know your behind e.t.c, and if you can take what i say and turn it into something constructive, great!!!

Just look at some of the hand analysis threads. People post hands, it gets criticized or commented on by several people. The origional poster should then think, "hmm, i see what i did", and change it, and win more.

The difference between losing and winning is slim.

Im not gonna ask for backup, but i know at least 9 people on here who have improved dramatically from reading things myself, cowboy, and many MANY others have written.

So once again, ill say this - If your hving fun, awesome. Good for you. But why not have fun and win some money at the same time???

And as for criticizing my play, if you want to comment, make a thread about it. Maybe itll get some interesting discussion. If ive done something wrong ill be the first to learn from it.

Okay when you say you are not planning to name, names, and then do so by naming me and Navuta.

That makes no sense and it goes back on what you said from the very top.

Now on to the other stuff.

I played the A6.

I didn't think I was behind.

And that's because you've said on freerolls you've pushed all in with nothing and the first hand so I didn't know if I was behind or not.

And I was suited.

Some people don't care if it's maths and purely think of this as entertainment.

I am one of them, and this is like going and spending money at the movies for me, it's no big deal, as long as I have fun.

I don't have a need to win, at all.

I know I am gambling.

That's the rush of the game I like.

I just am not focused on winning so much as I am as having fun, so that's my reason.

And it's good enough for me, so no one else should really be worried about it.

That's my opinion on it.

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Originally Posted by eejit101

To reiterate, this isnt about the losing. Its all good. ITs a forum game, stuf happens.

Its the reasoning behind it

But why does there have to be a reason.

I'm really just wanting to have and don't care if I lose or win.

I have a job and this isn't to become a second job for me so it doesn't matter to me, because it's within my budget.

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Originally Posted by KaciBlakely

Okay when you say you are not planning to name, names, and then do so by naming me and Navuta.

That makes no sense and it goes back on what you said from the very top.

Now on to the other stuff.

I played the A6.

I didn't think I was behind.

And that's because you've said on freerolls you've pushed all in with nothing and the first hand so I didn't know if I was behind or not.

And I was suited.

Some people don't care if it's maths and purely think of this as entertainment.

I am one of them, and this is like going and spending money at the movies for me, it's no big deal, as long as I have fun.

I don't have a need to win, at all.

I know I am gambling.

That's the rush of the game I like.

I just am not focused on winning so much as I am as having fun, so that's my reason.

And it's good enough for me, so no one else should really be worried about it.

That's my opinion on it.

if its all in fun and games for then please quit posting you bad beat threads then cuz i really dont care if its all fun and games. i reall yhope you dont buy into the ndn bap cuz you wont take it seriously and that will piss me off.

Facts - I didnt name anyone when i criticized their play

Facts - Your A6 wasnt suited. You flopped 3 diamonds to go with your Ace of diamonds, i folded my AA to the reraise to my bet.

Facts - You didnt think you were behind?? This was 10-15 mins in. In chips game i play to win. Every time. Unless im shoving blind in which case you will know about it. What posible hand is A6 beating that i can raise with???

Navuta - As for your hand. I really cant comment. Theres nothing to say

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Originally Posted by targetguy1

if its all in fun and games for then please quit posting you bad beat threads then cuz i really dont care if its all fun and games. i reall yhope you dont buy into the ndn bap cuz you wont take it seriously and that will piss me off.

lol...
I dont think u have a point here target...
If she dont care about math ir her ploblem. not our..
She is only luck..I think... ANd if she is a fish.. Is better for us.. more chips on the game...
I think it is really nice to have her on the games...

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Originally Posted by navuta

lol...
I dont think u have a point here target...
If she dont care about math ir her ploblem. not our..
She is only luck..I think... ANd if she is a fish.. Is better for us.. more chips on the game...
I think it is really nice to have her on the games...

i dont care if she plays the chips games i am all for it there but if she states she plays for ****s and giggles which is what i get from her comments then i dont want her part of the ndn bap.

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Originally Posted by eejit101

Navuta - As for your hand. I really cant comment. Theres nothing to say

How come there is nothing to say??:willy_nilly:

I think I should have folded kaci bet...What u think??
Please comment.. there must be something to say... Please ejjit help me..lol...

truly.. I know I played bad... But kaci is iven worst!!!...
PLEASE COMMENT MY HAND!!!
AT LEAST 2 lines!

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Originally Posted by targetguy1

if its all in fun and games for then please quit posting you bad beat threads then cuz i really dont care if its all fun and games. i reall yhope you dont buy into the ndn bap cuz you wont take it seriously and that will piss me off.

I don't think it's appropriate for you to make this comment.

Obviously I have more respect for a stakers money than I will have for my own.

I think everyone does this though.

Trust me I've gotten staked in live tournaments and have won.

It's like if you have someone else's property, than you take care of that piece of property better than your own.

But I really don't think it's fair to me, or proper, and eejit you named me in the first thread, go back and look.

I'll quote if for you if you can't see it.

It's okay to admit you are wrong, but you never seem to do so.

Kaci's a super freak

I like freaky

:auto:

This thread is really negative to me, and I think ndn should close it because it's just not fair to me as a player and member of this forum!

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Originally Posted by targetguy1

i dont care if she plays the chips games i am all for it there but if she states she plays for ****s and giggles which is what i get from her comments then i dont want her part of the ndn bap.

ok.. now u have a point...
But if she win so many games... Why she could not win the bap...
I also would not like to invest my money on someone who is just playing trying to have a good time and for not for winning...

Its free speech.

You play the games, there is a right by people to question plays and hands fromt he games.

Im also trying to make a point which has gone a bit off topic ill admit.

As for playing live games staked, good 4 u. But as there is no proof i dont beleive it. Nothing personal.

And to get thsi thread back on topic....

Navuta, you played it ok i think. Tho id have just shoved preflop

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Originally Posted by KaciBlakely

This thread is really negative to me, and I think ndn should close it because it's just not fair to me as a player and member of this forum!

I love ya

Don't be mad

:):grouphug:

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Originally Posted by eejit101

Its free speech.

You play the games, there is a right by people to question plays and hands fromt he games.

Im also trying to make a point which has gone a bit off topic ill admit.

As for playing live games staked, good 4 u. But as there is no proof i dont beleive it. Nothing personal.

And to get thsi thread back on topic....

Navuta, you played it ok i think. Tho id have just shoved preflop

You don't have to believe.

It's not my goal in life to get you to believe me.

And as a mod, you should've made this stay on topic better than to add insult, to injury which is unfair to me.

And you should admit that at least.

Im not God. I cant read every reply as its posted. Im also doing 3 other things and sorting out the BAP.

So if u want it closing, post a valid reason.

my origional post was fine IMO, nothing harsh and all valid and true.

If other people want to bring things up then its not my fault.

As for he mod comment - This is the most protective forum for its members ever. Most forums to do with poker emply free speech ine verything, as its needed mmostly. If this thread was on there, youd be roasted. I doing it nicely:)

You are being an ***, and go ahead and negative rep me for this post but it's true.

Every time I make something to do with a hand analysis, you always correct it, when it could be correct because you are not God, and don't know everything.

And ndn, if he is, allowing some of these comments doesn't seem that protective of it's forum members to me.

This should just be closed because it's not helping anyone.

I don't want the help and it's just being rude comments to me.

Therefore that's a valid reason for the thread to be closed!

Everytime you psot a hand for commenting on, without being rude, it NEEDS commenting on.

Feel free not to listen, but as at least 6 people have said in response to the last time you thought i was insulting you with my reply to a poker hand, what i said was undenyable fact, and ive discussed this before.

I dont care if the thread is closed, ive made my point.

I will close this thread as requested.

However, I do believe eejit101 was only trying to "teach" everyone a few things based on a real experience.

I wouldn't take too much offense to it. We have someone "question" plays in nearly every chips game that we have and no one has ever taken it too personally.

Targetguy - I believe your comments were out of line.