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PokerStars Game #30794622780: Tournament #181606366, 15FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/07/23 16:01:28 ET
Table '181606366 20' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Verbal357 (1190 in chips)
Seat 2: Sass12u (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: waloo13 (1065 in chips)
Seat 5: E.K.X (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: LaurinetteM (1130 in chips)
Seat 7: mark3437 (2705 in chips)
Seat 8: simontaz71 (330 in chips)
Seat 9: samblouin (1380 in chips)
Seat 10: Akeksander (4045 in chips)
Akeksander: posts small blind 25
Verbal357: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sass12u [Th Ts]
Sass12u: raises 200 to 250
waloo13: folds
E.K.X: folds
LaurinetteM: folds
mark3437: folds
simontaz71: folds
samblouin: folds
Akeksander: calls 225
Verbal357: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Kd Qh]
Akeksander: checks
Sass12u: checks
*** TURN *** [3h Kd Qh] [Tc]
Akeksander: checks
Sass12u: bets 200
Akeksander: raises 300 to 500
Sass12u: raises 530 to 1030 and is all-in
Akeksander: calls 530
*** RIVER *** [3h Kd Qh Tc] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Akeksander: shows [Ac Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Sass12u: shows [Th Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
Akeksander collected 2610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2610 | Rake 0
Board [3h Kd Qh Tc Js]
Seat 1: Verbal357 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Sass12u showed [Th Ts] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: waloo13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: E.K.X folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LaurinetteM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mark3437 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: simontaz71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: samblouin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Akeksander (small blind) showed [Ac Jc] and won (2610) with a straight, Ten to Ace

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Originally Posted by Sassy12U

PokerStars Game #30794622780: Tournament #181606366, 15FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/07/23 16:01:28 ET
Table '181606366 20' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Verbal357 (1190 in chips)
Seat 2: Sass12u (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: waloo13 (1065 in chips)
Seat 5: E.K.X (1875 in chips)
Seat 6: LaurinetteM (1130 in chips)
Seat 7: mark3437 (2705 in chips)
Seat 8: simontaz71 (330 in chips)
Seat 9: samblouin (1380 in chips)
Seat 10: Akeksander (4045 in chips)
Akeksander: posts small blind 25
Verbal357: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sass12u [Th Ts]
Sass12u: raises 200 to 250
waloo13: folds
E.K.X: folds
LaurinetteM: folds
mark3437: folds
simontaz71: folds
samblouin: folds
Akeksander: calls 225
Verbal357: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Kd Qh]
Akeksander: checks
Sass12u: checks
*** TURN *** [3h Kd Qh] [Tc]
Akeksander: checks
Sass12u: bets 200
Akeksander: raises 300 to 500
Sass12u: raises 530 to 1030 and is all-in
Akeksander: calls 530
*** RIVER *** [3h Kd Qh Tc] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Akeksander: shows [Ac Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Sass12u: shows [Th Ts] (three of a kind, Tens)
Akeksander collected 2610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2610 | Rake 0
Board [3h Kd Qh Tc Js]
Seat 1: Verbal357 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Sass12u showed [Th Ts] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: waloo13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: E.K.X folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LaurinetteM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mark3437 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: simontaz71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: samblouin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Akeksander (small blind) showed [Ac Jc] and won (2610) with a straight, Ten to Ace

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I dont see any "wow" here... .
And I think i played bad going all in.. .
lol...
I hope u learned the lesson...:smash::smash:

u checked and let him hit... i hate when i do that. Especially when they hit the nut straight, or hit their low trips or something. If youre going to raise preflop, nine times outta ten you should be raising after the flop. From the looks of the tournament you were playing though, im sure you woulda gotten a call on the flop anyways.... just a horrible turn :-( and the river was even worse.tough beat :-(

Hmmm. I first read this and didnt think i coulld comment, but looking harder there is alot of things here.

Im ignoring the fact its a freeroll for 15 Points btw.

Preflop - Raising 1010 under the gun isnt always sensible. According to many pros, 1010 here is a limp/call hand. But meh, raise if you wish. However 5x BB is a huge raise for UTG. Its a huge raise for anywhere really.

If were playing as played, your usually out of position, hence the issue with the raise. But luckily we are vs a blind here, so its good in the end.

He flat calls your 5x bet. What ranges are we assigning here? Id assume noone is this tricky at 15 FPPs, so lets discount the big 3 pairs, as they shove over i guess. Leaving us AK and below, JJ and below, maybe KQ/KJs, and unlikely any other 2 broadway cards. Hell, 67 suited might call here.

So, we are doubting the villain has a set. 33 is possible, but usally on a broadway draw board, bottom set bets out. So lets partially discount 33. Now, does he have a king? Id assume AQ or QJ or something folds to a stregnth bet here, and i know we have missed, but this is a perfect time to continuation bet. He has checked before us, so i would fire out a bet for around 325 given the size of this pot. Its enough to commit people for a big proportion of their chips, and with this big a pot and only 1k back, we now have to play the hand. Ill assume this bet picks up the pot here vs anything that doesnt have a K, or AQ. So your getting rid of gutshots (like the AJ), JJ fold, AT folds, any lower pair folds. And its a decent sized pot to win now with what is effectively a bluff.

But, say we check as we think we hare behind. The turn is a good card for us, we think. We know he doesnt have KK or QQ for sure. So now the only hands beating us are AJ and J9.

The problem here is youve let yourself hitt he 5th nut hand (behind AJ, J9, KK and QQ). However its also given hand we have to admit are possible the chance to beat you. AJ and J9 here are very possible.

Villain on the turn has checked the absolute nuts, as he should, and youve bet as the board is now very draw-heavy. with the raise coming in we have to look at the straight cards as possibilities.

Id much rather call the turn bet than shove. Call this bet and fill up for a fullhouse on the river and your guaranteed to stack. If you shove here if he is bluffing he might fold, he might have raised AK or something.

Plus if the river comes a horrible card (as it does) you can get away from it.

However this is all kinda pointless as i believe the correct play is a lower raise preflop (175 i like) or a limp, then betting the flop assuming they havent hit.

ok eejit pretty much cover the basics here....

however for you to win this pot since you 5 bet, is to bet the flop hard!!!

so the pot is roughly 575, i think a 550 bet on the flop would get him to fold.

once the turn hits you are done for unless you hit a pair on the board!

to aviod all of this you call the flop and he might raise you to 200 and then you reraise him to 750 total...easy fold for AJ and you scoop a nice pot with hardly any work!!

u cant bet 550 with only 1k back

In my opinion she committed too many chips preflop for her stack size. If she had 3k or so, then yes that raise will work. With more chips you can bet a larger portion of the pot to push out the drawing hands on the flop and not risk a call based on stack size.

I think with the stack size a limp from UTG is the better play. It keeps the pot smaller and allows you to bet out a larger portion of the pot and not commit too much of your stack.

I first read this and i didnt want to comment, but looking at it longer there is alot of things here.

Im ignoring the fact its 15fpp buy in.

Preflop - Raising 1010 under the gun isnt always smart. According to many books i read, 1010 here is a limp/call hand. But whatever, raise if you wish. However 5x BB is a too big of a raise for UTG. Its a too big of a raise for anywhere really.

If were playing as played, your always out of position, the issue with the raise. But for you are vs a blind here, so its good so far.

He just calls your 5x bet. What hand do you put him on now? Id assume noone is this tricky at 15 FPPs, so lets not even think the big 3 pairs, as they shove over instantly. Leaving you AK and below, JJ and below, maybe KQ/KJs, and unlikely any other 2 broadway cards. Hell, any 2 suited cards might call here.

So, we are doubting the villain has a set. 33 is possible, but usally on a broadway draw board, bottom set bets out. So lets partially discount 33. Now, do you think he has a king? My guess is AQ or QJ or something folds to a stregnth bet here, and i know you have missed, but this is a perfect time to continuation bet. He has checked before us, so i would shoot out a bet for around 325 given the size of this pot. Its enough to commit people for a big proportion of their chips, and with this big a pot and only 1k back, we are now commited to this hand. Ill assume this bet picks up the pot here vs anything that doesnt have a K, or AQ. So your getting rid of gutshots (like the AJ), JJ fold, AT folds, any lower pair folds and all other garbage. And its a decent sized pot to win now with what is effectively a bluff.

But, say we check as we think we hare behind. The turn is a good card for us, we hope. We know he doesnt have KK or QQ for sure. So now the only hands beating us are AJ and J9.

The problem here is youve let yourself hitt he 5th nut hand (behind AJ, J9, KK and QQ) but its also given hand we have to admit are possible the chance to beat you. AJ and J9 here are very possible.

Villain on the turn has checked the absolute nuts, as he should, and youve bet as the board is now very draw-heavy. with the raise coming in we have to look at the straight cards as possibilities.

its much better to call the turn bet than shove. Call this bet and fill up for a fullhouse on the river and your going to stack. If you shove here if he is bluffing he might fold, he might have raised AK or something.

Plus if the river comes a horrible card (as it does) you can fold.

However this doesnt mean nothing to you since yo wont listen to me. i believe the correct play is a lower raise preflop (175 i like) or a limp, then betting the flop assuming they havent hit.

I dont know what is going on with that post? use quotes next time!

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Originally Posted by thenutzaa1

I dont know what is going on with that post? use quotes next time!

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what are you talking about. i did not copy his post. we think alike. reread his then mine. there are a few words different. i cant help the fact we think a lot alike.