Implied Odds

Ive been trying to better my game, and noticed that there were a few things i was lacking consideration of; them being my position relative to the button, and implied/pot odds. Basically;

I was in the later stages of a 3 rebuy blinds were 4/800 and i had about 20k, which was about avg. 9 man table, first pos doubles the blind three people call i call on button with 78d. BB raises to 4500, everyone folds to me. Now, I know he has aces, they know he has aces, the slow kid with the helmet down the street knows he has aces. In the past I fold knowing its not likly im gonna hit, instead this time I call him. (reason being like 3.5:1 pot odds, and two IMPLIED odds, knowing that hes likely to push with aces, as most ppl are in 3 rebuy) flop comes 77j, he pushes i call, i win the hand. I know my game needs improvement, and im trying to find new moves or strategys to add. Im wondering if you guys think that this is a play that will benefit me on the whole? IS there a situation where this play is a logical and profitable move? Or was i just fortunate in this one instance.

If your getting the pot odds to call preflop, then do it.

However knowing he has AA for sure, is kinda hard. I mean put him on JJ-AA yeah, but just AA from 1 bet is kindahard.

Also implied odds are the amount of money you can realistically expect to be added to the pot to increase your pot odds. So if your getting 3.5-1 to call, and you fully believe he will stack off if you hit, then it shoots to 9.5-1.

That kinda thing

I figured it was as simple as "If youre getting pot odds pre flop, do it."
Ive been weighing pot odds more heavily in my decision making, so i wind up playing lesser quality hands, but it seems to be working. If i miss i am able to bail, and the spots where i hit or can bluff i end up taking down a large pot, as opposed to the standard many small ones. I guess the next step would be determining which situations where pot odds weighs more heavily in my decisions. Like if im on the bubble of a tourney, or im in bad position, pot odds might not matter as much. Whereas if im in late position with a large chip stack itll be more a factor in calling. Man poker is complicated, so many variables.

I need to thank NDN for some of your last post.

Pot odds matter everywhere, thats an undenyable fact.

However, in bubble situations, or on the final table, or where chips stacks vary so much, it matters a hell of a lot less.

I used to use pot odds in every situation, but the truth is, sometimes, you have to throw it out of the window.

NDN can reply better to your last thread.

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Originally Posted by 0maxpower0

I figured it was as simple as "If youre getting pot odds pre flop, do it."
Ive been weighing pot odds more heavily in my decision making, so i wind up playing lesser quality hands, but it seems to be working. If i miss i am able to bail, and the spots where i hit or can bluff i end up taking down a large pot, as opposed to the standard many small ones. I guess the next step would be determining which situations where pot odds weighs more heavily in my decisions. Like if im on the bubble of a tourney, or im in bad position, pot odds might not matter as much. Whereas if im in late position with a large chip stack itll be more a factor in calling. Man poker is complicated, so many variables.

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Pot odds and implied odds matter FAR more in cash games than they do in tournaments.

You can play a cash game strictly on odds because you can always bring more chips to the table if needed.

However, if you make every play in a tournament based on odds, you likely won't get too far. Just because you are a favorite to win a hand doesn't mean you're going to win it every time. So you need to make sure you are making your decisions/moves at the right stages of the tournament.

Don't make a play in the late stages of the tournament because you think you're a "favorite" to win the hand. You may be risking your tournament life on a coin flip at best.

If you don't have well rounded skills for every aspect of no limit tournaments, you'll have far more success if you rely on winning with your made hands rather than the odds you might be getting if you were to hit a hand.

Good advice. Now I just have to put it into practice, thats always the hardest thing. Much obliged. :-)