Collusion, Stupidity or Something Else?

It was late in a freeroll tournament, when a new player was moved to my table. He had a decent amount of chips, but was sitting out.

Another guy at my table was constantly disconnecting, and I assumed he had dial up (or too many **** sites running.) When he is first to act, he puts in a huge raise and then immediately disconnects.

Everyone folds, except the guy who was sitting out suddenly isn't anymore and goes all in.........and disconnects.

The other guy reconnects, calls and wins the pot. Basically, he doubled up and was one of the chip leaders for the freeroll.

The weird thing is, he never disconnects again........

So was it collusion, stupidity or something else?

It sounds really weird but it might be a conicidence because the game was played on FTP and I tend to disconnect on there sometimes too.

well it is hard to tell if it is or not. ur 1st guess would be it is collusion but u never know. we had this b4 on the forum with someone experiencing the same but Stars said there was no collusion. i say it is but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Glo Bug

well it is hard to tell if it is or not. ur 1st guess would be it is collusion but u never know. we had this b4 on the forum with someone experiencing the same but Stars said there was no collusion. i say it is but who knows.

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I mean if that's your instinct don't you trust your gut feeling? I'm not sure Where I stand on this but it gets confusing sometimes, I admit. Looks fishy to me at least.

If you play in the fulltilt freerolls you will noticed that when ever a player disconnect's he is usally the winner. I have noticed that laterly not sure what it means but it makes you think what is going on. I have been playing their for years now and not once did I ever get disconnected. So just keep a watch out for it.

Stars freerolls = 10k players.

Odds of 2 ppl getting same table - slim

Chip passing - Easy

Disconnecting alot - easy but pointless.

I reckon they just got unlucky with some internet spikes or something and got cut off.

And people who disconnect dont win every time. Stop making up new conspiracies!

Well they seem to win alot of the time when I'm in the hand against them. That's all I'm saying. lol.

i dont neccesarily think they are cheating, but i have gotten wind before of people who use hacking programs, they have to disconnect from the poker site or something to see the hand in progress...which is why i never deposit money onto a poker site, i play freerolls or i use this site to build a roll, so i dont have to worry about using my money...

So basically if it ever did happen it wouldn't really be your money? But just like your bonus money you get to use?

I deposit so I really don't get to use that state of mind but at the poker sites I got to I feel pretty safe in playing at those so I don't usually worry about it.

I think I was just upset and mad and pissed that I wasn't catching very many cards when this thing happened.

It just added all up and I had an explosion if you will.

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Originally Posted by kingsnthahole

i dont neccesarily think they are cheating, but i have gotten wind before of people who use hacking programs, they have to disconnect from the poker site or something to see the hand in progress...which is why i never deposit money onto a poker site, i play freerolls or i use this site to build a roll, so i dont have to worry about using my money...

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So you don't deposit onto sites because you think that some people have hacking software that allows them to see the cards of everyone else and I presume the cards which will hit the board before they are dealt.

Now while this is possible with obvious reference to the so called "super user" at AP I'm sorry buy I really have to question your logic on this. Lets put it into context here, I acquire this said program that will basically allow me to play every hand knowing the outcome, a perfect knowledge if you will. I now have to decide how best to use this knowledge. Taking into consideration that the penalty for being caught will be the same whatever level I play at and also that the backdoor entry that my program uses may be closed with the next update.

Do I

A. Spend 5/6 hours creaming the donks on the freerolls for $25 use this new found wealth to spend hours on the small buy in games for again a very small reward..

B. Milk the site and the other players at the maximum guarantee games and high level ring games.


I think the answer is obvious and it is only due to some of the negative media coverage that was put out that makes players dubious.

Yes there are many dodgy sites out there and some that genuinely go bust and take players money, but by being sensible. playing the mainstream sites and keeping a minimum amount of money on there you are at very little risk of losing more than a few $$, to be honest your biggest risk is getting donked by the miracle two outer on the river than being done by some scam artists on the sites. And look at it this way, if they are sad and pathetic enough to have multiple accounts that they have to use to chip dump in order to have any chance of winning in a freeroll, then they are very bad players and can be taken out by the solid players consistently.

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Originally Posted by happydel

So you don't deposit onto sites because you think that some people have hacking software that allows them to see the cards of everyone else and I presume the cards which will hit the board before they are dealt.

Now while this is possible with obvious reference to the so called "super user" at AP I'm sorry buy I really have to question your logic on this. Lets put it into context here, I acquire this said program that will basically allow me to play every hand knowing the outcome, a perfect knowledge if you will. I now have to decide how best to use this knowledge. Taking into consideration that the penalty for being caught will be the same whatever level I play at and also that the backdoor entry that my program uses may be closed with the next update.

Do I

A. Spend 5/6 hours creaming the donks on the freerolls for $25 use this new found wealth to spend hours on the small buy in games for again a very small reward..

B. Milk the site and the other players at the maximum guarantee games and high level ring games.


I think the answer is obvious and it is only due to some of the negative media coverage that was put out that makes players dubious.

Yes there are many dodgy sites out there and some that genuinely go bust and take players money, but by being sensible. playing the mainstream sites and keeping a minimum amount of money on there you are at very little risk of losing more than a few $$, to be honest your biggest risk is getting donked by the miracle two outer on the river than being done by some scam artists on the sites. And look at it this way, if they are sad and pathetic enough to have multiple accounts that they have to use to chip dump in order to have any chance of winning in a freeroll, then they are very bad players and can be taken out by the solid players consistently.

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I agree completely. with some of it at least. There are dodgy sites yes. AP/UB being two of the sites that the public knows about for sure.

Pokerstars, Fulltilt, and the rooms The Nodepositneeeded forum plays at our pokersites I will deposit at.

There are so many bad players in freerolls. It's free so they must think they'll play ATC (Any Two Cards) and see the luck they get thrown.

On the subject of freerolls. I consider myself a decent poker player and many will most likely back that up. I play at a variety of limits and in a wide range of games. I have a nice bankroll on the sites I play on regularly and don't need freeroll winnings to "start" my bankroll. When playing freerolls I will occasionally play different styles. There is no risk to my roll, therefore any reward is just a bonus. I've re-raised a preflop raiser with 8/2 off suit, just to see what would happen. I don't use my money game style to play a freeroll because it usually doesn't work. I've found that if I play the way most do in a freeroll I tend to do better. Sometimes it's fun to play "stupid" and leave it to luck. Don't think because someone is lucky in a freeroll they are cheating, the site is rigged, or that you suck at poker. A freeroll is an extreme monster that usually runs a different course everytime you play one.