turning quads...

ok so playing the micros today and a guy min raises from early to middle position...i have KJ suited and i decided i wanted to see if he really had a hand, so i bump it up to .16 cents, folds around the table and he instacalls...soi put him on a pretty big hand but not AA or KK...flop comes down beautifully, JJQ. Im sitting there in position with a pr nice hand and im thinking how i can get him to put all of his money in the pot at this point, he leads out and bets pot...i slow play it, and smooth call. Turn comes another J...BINGO...he leads out for pot again, i smooth call. River is the 5 of who the hell cares and he bets .10 into a pot of almost 1.50...i min raise him, he snap shoves, and i call, he had me on the flop bigtime, he had QQ, flopped a boat but slow played it and im not sure why he shoved with that hand after i call-call min raise him, but oh well i took him for every penny. He then proceeded to tell me what a donkey i am from reraising him with that hand, and i told him flat out he was a donkey for re-reraising me...cash games, especially micro stakes, i'll shove with QQ to one opponent...

Nice Hand sir, I am not sure I would reraise pre flop because your not going to turn quads all the time and that is a -EV play most of the time.
Not much analysis I can give because he had the top boat, and you had quads so all the money is going into the middle eventually.

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Originally Posted by kingsnthahole

he had QQ, flopped a boat but slow played it

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Last time I checked, betting pot on a boat flop isn't slow playing. He did exactly what most would do when they flop a boat. Bet and bet and bet to try to pick up the pot. I understand your call, but you said "I put him on a big hand, but not AA or KK." Did you not consider QQ as being a possibility? If you did consider him having QQ, then why call on the flop, chasing 1 out to beat him?

Congrats on the win, but I'm curious why you think he played it wrong when he flopped top boat. You stated you had no intention of folding because you were considering how to get all of his money in the middle. You sucked out on him and won a nice pot, but you hit the dreaded 1 outter.

EVERYONE hasta remeber be was playing the micro stakes aka 1cent-2cent......how ovten to you put a good play such as betting his floped boat in 1-2cent........we are trying to talk about strategy and how stuff is playing for 2 bucks aka i can get a soda for that price to in trhat retrostect we are asking if he playing this right over a sodalol doesn't matter how it was played you won and congrats....make sure you get a good soda or in ur case mike a beer lol

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Originally Posted by esmordan

EVERYONE hasta remeber be was playing the micro stakes aka 1cent-2cent......how ovten to you put a good play such as betting his floped boat in 1-2cent........we are trying to talk about strategy and how stuff is playing for 2 bucks aka i can get a soda for that price to in trhat retrostect we are asking if he playing this right over a sodalol doesn't matter how it was played you won and congrats....make sure you get a good soda or in ur case mike a beer lol

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I hope I play you then with that attitude. We are talking about his play becasue HOPEFULLY he is not always going to be playing micro stakes. And if you build bad habits in the micro levels they are going to carry on when you move up limits.
Builiding good habits is absolutely critical when playing micro levels. If your there with the mindset aw this money doesnt even give a ****. THen dont even play.

Wow, this is a first. I agree with $o$o, on his last post. The amount the player won or lost doesn't matter, only if he played the hand correctly. I don't care if he won two pounds of dirt, if he played the hand poorly, then it needs to be stated. He asked for input and he got it. The whole point of this section is to have hands looked at by different people to see if there was a different way to play the hand.

Yes he turned quads, but he really didn't play the hand that great. He said he put the player on something big and excluded AA and KK. That leaves AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, TT. With that said, there are a couple of hands he is behind on the flop. QQ, AJ. Obviously the player didn't have AJ because he turned quads, but the point is he called pot chasing a possible 1 outer.

I agree!

If your putting him on a big hand, which IMO you cant, with the preflop action i have him on precisely no read whatsoever, but lets say we assume he has AJ+,99+.

Flop JJQ. You have trips. With a king kicker. He therefore MUST have 2 pair or trips or a boat. Now you kinda have to decide which is which.

Hand wise - Your preflop raise i do not like. Call and play along, KJ is not in anyway a reraising hand. You flop say K22 here, your behind alot of hands, but you wont fold as you have 2 pr with a semi-decent kicker. KJ can get you in lots of trouble sometimes. So id call the min raise. Keep the amount you might lose with this mediocre hand to a minimum.


Flop wise, he is betting the pot. Which IMO with QQ on a QJJ board is insanity. The villain here folds AK/AT/Ax/Kx or most pairs he may have had to start with, i dont get the pot bet with QQ here. Id prolly check or bet half the pot, make it look weak in order to be reraised.

The turn is just fun. Now you WANT him to have anything and everything, AA preferably.

and FYI if he is leading out for the pot again at this level.... preflop there was $0.35 in. Add his pot bet on the flop and your call makes it $1.05.

At this level how deep are you? In order the pot the turn he needs $1.05 and u do to call. Making the pot $3.15. Then you said there was raises and shoves on the river.

The max buyin is $4 ffs, and at micros everyone is playing with $0.97 and stuff like that. Weird.

As for the turn just shove over the top. HE isnt folding here with the action he has put in so far, so save time and get it in, he wont read you for quads if you shove, he will think your bluffing or have AQ or something.