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03-22-2009, 05:03 PM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

I want everyones analysis!!!!!

Ok this was a realllly reallllllly tough hand for me to play. I was bluffing but then ended catching what I thought was the winning hand but wasnt clearly. Any ideas on how i couldve bluffed better? Bet more? bEt less?
PokerStars Game #26125208277: Tournament #149115735, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (200/400) - 2009/03/19 9:12:54 ET
Table '149115735 7' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pk65 (6880 in chips)
Seat 2: LickDaRapper (7458 in chips)
Seat 3: oranje32 (4730 in chips)
Seat 4: Str8FisheR (9415 in chips)
Seat 5: DamianL1 (19000 in chips)
Seat 6: [iXi]Nl (12160 in chips)
Seat 8: A. Luthor (2865 in chips)
Seat 9: TheBigOne(B) (4022 in chips)
pk65: posts the ante 50
LickDaRapper: posts the ante 50
oranje32: posts the ante 50
Str8FisheR: posts the ante 50
DamianL1: posts the ante 50
[iXi]Nl: posts the ante 50
A. Luthor: posts the ante 50
TheBigOne(B): posts the ante 50
LickDaRapper: posts small blind 200
oranje32: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LickDaRapper [Jc Kh]
Str8FisheR: folds
DamianL1: calls 400
[iXi]Nl: calls 400
A. Luthor: folds
TheBigOne(B): folds
pk65: folds
LickDaRapper: calls 200
oranje32: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c 7s 5c]
LickDaRapper: checks
oranje32: checks
DamianL1: checks
Str8FisheR said, "played 12 hands and its possibly that you go home without money and 50 played hands or something"
[iXi]Nl: bets 800
LickDaRapper: raises 1600 to 2400
oranje32: folds
DamianL1: folds
[iXi]Nl: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [2c 7s 5c] [9c]
LickDaRapper: bets 2000
[iXi]Nl: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [2c 7s 5c 9c] [4c]
LickDaRapper: bets 2608 and is all-in
[iXi]Nl: calls 2608
[iXi]Nl said, "gotcha"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LickDaRapper: shows [Jc Kh] (a flush, Jack high)
[iXi]Nl: shows [Kc 7d] (a flush, King high)
[iXi]Nl collected 16016 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16016 | Rake 0
Board [2c 7s 5c 9c 4c]
Seat 1: pk65 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: LickDaRapper (small blind) showed [Jc Kh] and lost with a flush, Jack high
Seat 3: oranje32 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Str8FisheR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: DamianL1 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: [iXi]Nl showed [Kc 7d] and won (16016) with a flush, King high
Seat 8: A. Luthor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TheBigOne(B) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
03-22-2009, 05:29 PM
eejit101

wow.

Preflop is ok. I wouldnt hate a preflop push all in either.

On the flop just fold. How do you know with any certainty that any of your possible outs for pairs or the flush gives you the best hand? You might be monstered already.

Fold out after the flop comes.
03-22-2009, 05:31 PM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

Quote:

Originally Posted by eejit101

wow.

Preflop is ok. I wouldnt hate a preflop push all in either.

On the flop just fold. How do you know with any certainty that any of your possible outs for pairs or the flush gives you the best hand? You might be monstered already.

Fold out after the flop comes.

I obviously knwo i SHOULDVE folded. That wasnt the question. The question was knowning his hand now how would i bluff better....should i have bet more or less then what i did?
03-22-2009, 05:36 PM
eejit101

Good point, missed that. Speed reading FTL.

Anyways.....

If this was me and i was determined to win the pot/had a death wish, id be out.

The villain here will not lay down the 2nd nut flush or flush draw. He called on the flop and was calling a push IMO.

The only way you coulda bluffed this is with a different turn. Then you could push and buy it at that point.

Even check/raising the turn doesnt really help. As he might check behind, or your push is only 40% of his stack, hell, i think id call it with Kc.

So yeah, in this spot, winning this pot is nearly impossible
03-22-2009, 05:40 PM
$o$o$ucce$$ful

TBH this was one of my weakest sessions. I played with this guy at the 11$ 30k event and every 4.40 180 man and every 1.10 90 man i did. It was crazy and he kept reading me so damn well. When i was bluffing he would raise. When i had the goods he would fold and TBH i just wanted to win a damn pot from him.:mad::mad::mad:
03-22-2009, 06:24 PM
ffcowboy76

I don't think, even with a different turn you would push him off the hand. He called a huge reraise with top pair and a long draw to the 2nd nut flush. I don't think he was going to fold the hand. I think the only way he flopds is if an A comes on the turn and you can find a way to convince him you have AK. Based on the action preflop, you indicated nothing for strength by limping from the SB. He probably put you on KQ or something like that. I wouldn't put you on anything that connected with the flop, turn, or river.

Just my 2 cents, but I'm not a great tourney player.
03-22-2009, 06:28 PM
bkniefel

I think that you should've been out of the hand pre-flop. No sense because the way I look at it is, if you don't hit an ace or jack, what are you going to do on the flop. Call, raise.....

Even if a K hit on the flop, as well as an ace. What would you do if first to act bets the pot....

You should fold...

I understand that it is all circumstantial and you never really know because some people are straight donks.

As Phil Ivey would say, only play the top 5 hands...
03-22-2009, 06:38 PM
woohoosue

yup and maybe he noticed this about ya too.... man you think he's one of those super account guys? wouldn't that be wild if you had cot one? Is it apprpriate to contact support to review a game to see if he is? ...and if the only one's with super accounts work there? would contacting them even be the way to go?

yeah i don't do arbitrary bluffing...I don't do alot of it...so no help here. I'm the one that calls thinking you are bluffing and you are not usually ...any advice there? lol