eejit, ndn ... others?

I posted this in another forum w people arguing about beating live 1/2 rake ... what do u think?


you only actually pay Rake in pots u win...

if u play 5 40$ pots heads up SB v BB a hour and win 3 ... u win 120$ - 60$ that was your own money - 15$ rake = 45$ a hour - the 40$ you lose from the 2 lost pots = +5$ a hour + the 1$ a hour in comps = 6$ a hour

As long as you win the same amount as you lose in hands that dont go to showdown, and win more showdowns than u lose... u finish up 6$ a hr

and this is extreme, it doesnt take into consideration money put into the pot by blinds that fold, 3-4-5-6 way pots etc... where your invested amount would be less than half the pot

seems to me that beating the game for ATLEAST 6$ a hr is not unreasonable at all

... since the money won is mostly tax free (if u dont claim it) thats the same standard of living as someone who make 15k a yr, and in my opinion this would be a better than avergae decent player, not a good player with some luck on their side

... Around here its a 4$ cap on rake, so take the 6$ a hr total to 9$ a hr, thats equivalent to someone who grosses 22k a yr ... and again this being in my opinion a decent better than average player, not a really good player w a small amount of luck on their side

in order to match the standard of living as someone making the top of the 15% tax bracket, you would need to average 13-14$ a hr

all this is assuming you play 40hrs a wk

anyone see anything wrong with this BreakDown ???

That makes sense.

But are you taking in to account hands not to showdown, preflop wins, chopped hands where one player loses, max cap pots.

Over here we have 5% rake up to £10 max. or 10% rake up to £5. we get a choice.

No, the 6-9$ numbers were just assuming u break even on all hands u get involved in that dont go to showdown

thats why I consider the 6-9$ average a decent better than average player.

A good player that can do this and go on a heater could maul this number I think

Ok, taking my last 40 hours in to account.

Im up a total of £1,900 after rake.

Rake on all those hands was 5% to £10 max. This is playing £1/£2.

And i wasnt on a heater, but this is a short time period.

ya, they were talking about like making a living only playing 1/2, u always get people who say they make 30-50k a yr playing 1/2 NLHE, etc...

and people saying the rake isnt beatable on a long term basis...

I dont know, after thinking through it like I did, I could see someone in a big city like LA or NY averaging a 20-30K standard of living, and having big years where maybe they could make 50k+

if online was real and not rigged, I could really see it

I know its beatable short term, all gambling is, even roulette, the best i ever did in a wk was have 3 10-14hr sessions where I was up 2k